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Fahlin Cho 02-18-2009 01:23 AM

I know first hand that the transmission on an FD is super light compared to a T56 as I was able to pick mine up easily when I installed a new clutch and my friend has a WS6 for the T56 comparison and that is a beast compared to the FD's. However I know the weight difference between the 13BREW and the LS1 is very minimal as I stated in my post before the rotary uses all iron housings so it weighs more then it should for the size. This is why I believe using aluminum housings will seriously help the motors weight and the the change in the stroke length on the 16X might actually mean a rotary that produces torque for once without having to get 3 rotor or even 4 rotor if you're rich.

I'm currently debating whether to drop in an LS1 or not as I've gone through two sets of turbos on my FD in 5k miles but I'm hoping to just sell it as a roller and move on to a more reliable platform.

Crash 02-18-2009 04:31 AM

Dropping an LS1 would be my choice, if I were in your shoes. The FD is a bad @ss looking car. There's SO many kits out there for converting the car over to LS1. Not to mention that the car does 12's in 1/4 with a bone stock N/A LS1! My friend's had a mild heads/cam package and was in the 11's. An LS1 or LS6 would be the way to go. You can still get an LS6 for cheap. Or get an LS1 and put the LS6 heads and cam on. (2001+ LS1s from an F-Body already have the LS6 intake!)

I'm sure the turbos set you back the same cost as an LS1.

Yeah, the T56 is pretty heavy. I had to move a couple of those too. But they're still lighter than the autos... 4L60's are WAY heavier. (Especially before you dump the trans fluid)

tvfreakazoid 02-18-2009 02:55 PM

WOW something is already wrong with the 370Z! That sucks.
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Originally Posted by 370sed (Post 32016)
I was considering a Z, but until and if the issue of track overheating is settled - no go. It would be my track car, but max 10 min HPDE sessions are not much fun....all the RX-8s would just go flying by lol.

Mazda really does need to pony up info on what's coming - and soon.


tvfreakazoid 02-18-2009 02:57 PM

How much did it cost you to rebuild the carburetor? Is the rx7 stock or have you upgraded it?
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Originally Posted by Lug (Post 31763)
I had an early RX7 for over 10 years and had to rebuild the carburetor once. That was the sum total of nonscheduled maintenance. Rotary engines are expensive to work because not many mechanics have experience with them but as long as you don't let the oil get low, they are practically indestructable. They get poor gas mileage for their displacement but are unbeatable when it comes to power vs weight/size. I have always thought Lotus should have used the mazda engine in their Elise and Exige models instead of the Toyota. Would have been a better fit.


Lug 02-18-2009 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid (Post 32398)
How much did it cost you to rebuild the carburetor? Is the rx7 stock or have you upgraded it?

I got it in 1980 and sold it somewhere around 1992. The carb rebuild was just a kit. I rebuilt it myself. I believe I had somewhere around 130K on it when I sold it. One of the most reliable cars I've ever owned.

UNKNOWN_370 05-28-2010 09:24 PM

I had the 93 rx7 up intil 6 years ago. I can say this much. If mazda goes back to that formula. TT, and the stated 270hp with torque fitting of that horsepower. (Say. 240lbs.) Also if they keep the weight in 3,000 lbs or less. It will be a serious threat to the Z. As it was in 93-96. That rx was a threat to V8's when modded.
Some think saftey regs will keep it heavy. Technology is moving forward. Companies like mazda and toyota are really dedicated to weight reduction moreso than nissan. Toyota said this. If they do produce the FT 86. They can keep it in its weight range and not change the way it looks as the concept. The concept weight is 2866lbs. The concept hp is apprx 220hp 4 banger.
From mazdas history of making lightweight extremely well balanced (true 50/50 weight dist sports cars) I think mazda can achieve this feat. One thing you have tyo remember with rotories. The engines are fairly small, which makes them lighter. What they don't have in size they make up in revs. Fully tuned rotaries may hit 10,000rrpms.
93-96 was the most amazing stock engine of the era. (Though it sucked gas like crazy and drank quarts of oil like humans need water.) But the power, balance, and overall characteristic was like no other car in the price range. The Z of the same era was heavier and not as balanced. (Though the Z was marginally quicker stock)
The only way the new mazda will be a fail is... if they keep the tradition of the renesis and not follow the. Last gen rx7

Chriz 05-28-2010 10:28 PM

You know this thread and information is from more than a year back? Shouldnt be in this section either...

PapoZalsa 05-28-2010 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chriz (Post 554913)
You know this thread and information is from more than a year back? Shouldnt be in this section either...

:iagree:

Lug 05-28-2010 10:52 PM

I've read one report that it will be based on a miata frame. Teh miata weighes 2400 lbs

UNKNOWN_370 05-29-2010 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chriz (Post 554913)
You know this thread and information is from more than a year back? Shouldnt be in this section either...

Either way its a topic on forum and I'm not the moderator so take up where it should be with one of them.

Either way, the mazda is a car worthy talking about imho. Its nissans true direct competitor and deserves respect. The RX7 was a honda/nissan/toyota owners worst track nightmare in the 90's. Held the world land speed record while the motor was modded and the body was still mostly stock. People have short memories to stuff like this. I want the rx7 back as a
Competitor. The rx8 was crap next to the last gen rx7.

SkyZ 05-29-2010 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid (Post 31715)
I hear that the rotary engines are expensive to fix if something goes wrong with them since it has less moving parts. I also heard that those engines won't last as long as a piston engine.

Well I hope mazda brings back the rx-7. I saw some more drawing of it and I didn't like it all that much, except for the front. I hope they improve on the looks. I also read that they might make it a turbo. I read that they are working on a forced inductions for it.

ive seen 300k rx7s before. but most dont make it that far cuz they get modded and nos'd and just totally destroyed by the F&F crowd.

kenchan 05-29-2010 02:12 PM

they make their cars all look like this character...

http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery...-pachirisu.jpg

bigdog1250 05-29-2010 02:56 PM

If those stats are correct that would be a damn fun car to drive. Handling would be mind blowing. Hopefully Mazda can keep with it and keep the car light, its time cars start shedding major lbs...

PapoZalsa 05-31-2010 03:58 PM

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I'm a fan boy of the RX-7, had about 5 of them including a Turbo II. Wonder the price and if the engine is going to be improved especially those APEX seals and heat issues.

Plus the price for the performance. Don't look to bad in the pics.

didymus 05-31-2010 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PapoZalsa (Post 557398)
I'm a fan boy of the RX-7, had about 5 of them including a Turbo II. Wonder the price and if the engine is going to be improved especially those APEX seals and heat issues.

Plus the price for the performance. Don't look to bad in the pics.

Are those the sport wheels? LOL

PapoZalsa 06-02-2010 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by didymus (Post 557453)
Are those the sport wheels? LOL

That one is the Touring with the Sport Package and special paint. If you get a scratch the whole car has to be painted and tow to a secret place that only Mazda knows..

370Zsteve 06-02-2010 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash (Post 30917)
I doubt we'll see this. But I must say that the rendering they have is very ugly and not RX-7ish at all.

I'd imagine a 3-rotor motor would be good, but I doubt they'd ever do that again. I don't know anything about the 16x, but I'm going to assume it's 2 rotors.

I'd like to see a rotary miata, to be honest. Smaller more powerful motor in that car would be sweet.


I am so with you on a rotary-powered Miata

Afterburner 08-12-2010 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PapoZalsa (Post 557398)
I'm a fan boy of the RX-7, had about 5 of them including a Turbo II. Wonder the price and if the engine is going to be improved especially those APEX seals and heat issues.

Plus the price for the performance. Don't look to bad in the pics.

Those pics are of the upcoming RX-9 which is supposed to be the RX-8's replacement. I have yet to see a photo of the RX-7 other than the concept pics, which look amazing. Don't think I like the RX-9 too much, I still prefer the RX-8 styling.

fullmonty 08-12-2010 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame (Post 30871)
Mazda RX-7 & RX-9 in the Works - worldcarfans

Hmmmm... Does the Z have anything to worry about with a 2012 RX7 that has a 270 HP, 200 Pound Feet, 2650 pound, dual clutch tranny when it comes to the track??

HP
370Z: 332
2012 RX7: 270 (est)

Torque
370Z: 270
2012 RX7: 200 (est)

Weight
370Z: 3320
2012 RX7: 2650 (est)

Transmission
370Z: 7AT / Rev Matching 6MT
2012 RX7: 6 speed DCT

God that car screams 2000 Camaro Z28


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