People do. The looks is what stirs the emotions.

Among other things ;)


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2020 Supra... first thoughts
 

Bottom line guys- people are not happy with the fact that the world’s biggest/most successful car manufacturer decided to take the lazy way out and basically use a BMW Z4, change the sheet metal and rebadge it as a Toyota Supra! Period. That is the main problem with the car. Sure, they call it a joint venture and co-development but the fact remains, it is basically 90% BMW and will be built on the same assembly line as the Z4.

Let me ask everyone this; How would the current Nissan GTR have been received if it had been developed by Audi and used an Audi sport sedan platform and power train (with detuned engine)? Think about that one.


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Does it really matter who designed it etc? If the car looks and feels good, I personally don’t care who’s behind it. As long as it has a warranty, I’m good to go.

dont you mean lambos? :tiphat:

This x1000000000000000000000 - its what you feel about the drive/looks etc. Most cars are conglomerations of parts bins and sharing, either from outside or internal sources. Very few are 'bespoke' at all.

More than happy to test the Supra and report my thoughts. I have a feeling it will be quite fun!

I think it was very generous of Toyota to help fund the development of the better car!

soo....actually came across one while i was driving in Frisco/Plano area. I was off of Hwy 121 near Legacy (for those in the DFW area) and came across a white one with manufacturer plates. I have to admit, seeing it up close on the road - I wouldn't mind getting one - it was nice, unfortunately my pic from my phone sucked so sorry about that.

http://www.the370z.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1549509448

Cool, how much smaller is it compared to the z?

I was able to pull up next to it and honestly it didn't seem that much smaller than our cars. I would almost guarantee that it is probably comparable as far as the cabin and as for the car itself - it didn't look like the size of a FRS or something (at least to me during the 2min I was able to be next to it etc)

Good stuff... We always get first dibs with new sports cars on our roads... I saw the c8 vette 9 months before it came out on the frontage rd of 360 and avenue E. I remember being in awe.

Let me ask you this... If the supra was a 400hp 3jz for 100k+ Would u still be complaining about price? Cuz engine development cost was the main reason behind doing this. At least it's an inline 6. That's it's heritage... The supra is not perfect. But it's a new 2 seat FR sports car that's not muscle. Who else is doing it under $60k?

To add to this - will anyone of us care if after some basic mods and a tune - people are able to push close if not over 400HP. It's already 0-60 in 4.1s - imagine what it will be like with a tune and some basic mods - this car could be a fun car - granted having a BMW engine is a fail - but....I'm just happy to see more sports cars on the road; if the RX9 and Z come back - it will be like the 90s all over again (think i just aged myself haha)

BMW clone or not. I'm really happy that this car came out. I'm hoping that this will push Nissan and others to keep and update their sports cars. If you look at past history of sports cars. They run in cycles. There will be a bunch of new cars, then nothing for years. Then they will come back into style. This cycle of nothing has gone on too long. I believe that the manufactures are trying to look ahead to 2030's. And trying to figure out what the laws will be. A couple of euro countries have already said that there will be no fossil fuel vehicles sold in 2030. So the decision they have to make. Is how much money are they willing to spend on fossil fuel cars now vs electric vehicle tech. I think this is where a couple of companies are at now. Nissan being one of them. Toyota took the gamble.

Any new vehicle that comes out now has to have a hybrid or plug in electric variant to make economic sense for auto manufacturers for the reasons you stated above. We are in a global marketplace. If Europe bans the ICE and so does China, it almost doesn’t matter if we don’t since most cars are built on a global architecture.

Hell, Ford is coming out with a plug in f150 and the ram 1500 has a mild hybrid option already and so does the new wrangler, if a Jeep is now hybrid, I’d say the writing is on the wall.