BMW M240i xDrive vs Audi TT RS
 

Since Toyota is being cagey about the Supra/FT-1 and I have to get a new daily driver, it looks like I am down to two options; either the BMW M240i xDrive or Audi TT RS.

The parameters for my purchase are:
My only car (i.e. it is a daily driver even in the winter, AWD)
Needs to be fun
Probably will never be tracked
Needs to look good
Reliability
Leased (to determine if it is worth buying later)

Between these two cars, which would you go for and why?
Any experience with either?

I have no real experience with either other than test driving the m. I bought my an Audi rs5 and really like the rs. If you want a fun two seater sportscar the new Audi is a nice ride imho.

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Which dealership is closer, and which one gives the better loaner car when the damn thing is in the shop again?

Lol, that is funny and I would agree. We got an Audi A3 when they did warranty work on S5. My wife was not happy because she wanted something equivalent or better. I said at least it wasn't a Camary or lesser vehicle.

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I have seen and read a lot of good reviews about the TT RS, and no mods needed for speed up here in the high altitude. I don't like the looks of it in pictures, but like most cars it looks great on the road.

What do you think about reliability?

I definitely have not considered an Audi, but recently they are getting high marks by Consumer Reports. Is that a source that can be believed?

Reliability is definitely a concern with the BMW though.

I don't know yet as we have only had our S5 since June, that being said what I have read has been good. The other thing is if you are going to lease one it will be under warranty for the time of the lease and their warranty is pretty outstanding. If you get the upgraded plan, it even includes some consumables like brake pads, rotors and fluid. It is expensive but you don't got to worry about anything lol!

I like the TT-RS and RS3 as they have some of Audi heritage with that Inline 5 engine and quattro combo. I personally am considering changing my SRT next year with RS3 as I want something smaller as DD (actually it is one of the options I am considering).

You need to test drive both, I think TTRS will be stiffer than M240i, and you need to see if you want your daily to be as stiff as the rs, I have a friend who test drove S3 and RS3 back to back and ended with S3 as he wanted something more comfy for dd.

If you get a TT you will start singing show tunes, care about your hair products, and have to come up with some clever use of TT in a screen name or license plate. If you want a real sports car get a used 911, a 997.1 or 997.2. For the price of a new TTRS you can get a nice 997.2 4S CPO. If you can find one.

TTRS is a nice overall performance package. AWD flexibility. Its very much a 'real' sportscar. If one comes here where you can actually enjoy the power and not only be on the track you would be impressed. There are always used options of other makes. But life is short and you should get what works for you no matter what is stated here.

The BMW will offer some interior space that can be accessible and useful for longer trips etc. The M235i I have and the M2 have done well and I have over 80000kms on my M235i with no issues or repairs, just usual scheduled maintenance. Both are driven daily.

Audi has significant experience with the 5cyl configuration. I had a new S3 over the summer to enjoy via a friend and the Audi dash display and functionality is impressive.

I would think you would be pleased with either one.

I tried to talk my wife into buying an M235i but she wanted something bigger and she knew I would want to track it from time to time lol. It is a really nice car for a four seater!

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First off, I am speaking of the TT RS, and as I stated in the original post, I am looking for an AWD daily driver.

The other day I saw a C7 Grand Sport next to a TT S, and surprisingly the TT S looked more menacing. It reminds me of a .45 ACP bullet for some reason. The TT RS IS a beast.

The C4S is AWD, and its much better than the haldex system on the TTRS.

Buy a used Porsche...

:wtf2:

I would bet my house that a gently used late model Porsche is exponentially less of a hassle to own than a new Audi.

Don't get me wrong, a Porsche is definitely what I would buy if I could afford it. If and when I do get a Porsche, I want it to be brand spanking new, and with the exact options I choose. But even a late model is outrageously expensive. I can't justify spending that much money.

I am pretty sketchy about BMWs, but being in Colorado I know a lot of people with VWs and Audis and yes, compared to Toyotas they are lacking in reliability. But they don't seem to be excessively fragile like a Land Rover or Jeep.

The only reason why I initially considered an Audi is because I read in Consumer Reports that they rate high in quality. The TT RS has become the subsequent driver. I think the newer TTs look great, but that lighter I5 engine is what makes the RS very intriguing.

I will be testing both next week. Who knows, I might end up with a Subaru WRX or Toyota truck or SUV and keep the Z.

Keep the z. Buy a tundra 4x4. Problem solved. A compromise car will just piss you off day in day out.

Agreed, you can't go wrong with a truck and it will come in handy when you twin turbo the Z lol!

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Yep. I'm about to swap the econobox daily driver for a big *** truck. Sold it to the wife as "we need a vehicle that can get us to safety through a hurricane" when I really meant "can trailer the z, track car and take me hunting and fishing".

Lol, I have a 2002 GMC 2500 4x4 duramax with 240k on it that runs like a dream. We have made two trips to Oregon hunting and golfing and lots of trips to the track and the shop with the Z this year lol! The best thing is the truck and the Z are paid off!

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I have owned three Tacomas, which I drove all to Moab MANY times and even rock-crawled with Ivan Stewart. They are so bullet-proof; between all three the only issue I ever had was a faulty O2 sensor. I even love Ford and Chevy trucks as well, so the option is very compelling.

A dealer called me to let me know that a guy was getting his guided tour to his new TT RS, so I checked it out. I love the looks:

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While I was there I test drove the TT S and a RS3. The interior, instruments, size and visibility are all amazing on both cars. You could definitely feel the TT S wants to understeer, but it also wants to stick to the ground no matter what, and the driving modes make things interesting. Turbo lag for the TT S was insane, but I suppose you could learn how to work with it. Once it got going, even the 4 cylinder really got going. With the Quattro and turbo, it is definitely faster than the Z, but boy, you really appreciate the Z's handling and flat powerband not to mention the lower center of gravity.

The RS3 was less jankey than the TT S, but when it got going, it is a crazy, controlled rocket. I can only imagine that engine in the TT RS. The only problems with the RS3 for me are the looks and that it is a sedan. Very nice car though.

So the TT RS is definitely on the top of my list. I may test drive the M240i, but to be honest I just don't want to drive a BMW.

One thing that I do know is that if I get the TT RS, I will buy it instead of lease and I will keep the Z. I really hate the 20" wheels and those would be replaced immediately.

A couple of weeks ago I test drove a 2018 BMW M240i xDrive and surprisingly liked it.

The good:

- xDrive is very grippy with only a hint of understeer.
- The drive modes are pretty cool. When going from Comfort to Sport and Sport+ you can definitely feel things tightening up and getting crazy under the hood and the exhaust sound is pretty good.
- The interior is pretty nice.
- The aesthetics and shape are growing on me, with the rear-end being the only "meh" area. The smaller wheels and wells are pretty cool. I do like the stock wheels.
- It's quick with barely any turbo-lag. Plenty of usable daily driver power and because of the xDrive is only a tenth of a second "slower" than the M2. I imagine that you could beat a M2 off the line due to the extra grip.
- The price!

The bad:

- Even compared to the Z and the Audi TT it feels really small. This is mostly due to the proportion of the body compared to the cockpit. On the flip side the visibility is excellent.
- This is one of the few cars I do not like in black. I would be going for the gray.

So this car is definitely in the running especially since being $20K cheaper than the Audi TT RS. IF the Supra has the option for a similar engine in the M240i then Toyota will have something fun since it will have to be lighter.

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Hey Bob I drive a Camry for DD driven by a chauffeur! Lol
Btw you going to Zday?

LOL, I like your style!

Yes, that is my plan. I'm just waiting to hear from Tony (Fast Intentions).

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Nice review of the M240i. I still have my 2014 M235i. Almost 90000km's. Full service done this week. Still no issues. The intake valves are spotless. The N55 is not known at all for intake valve coking/carbonization.

I will ask my superb mech and dealer if they have any insight into the new motor in the M240i.

My paint and interior quality is excellent and holding up quite well. The dealer changed my valve cover and the head and cam/valvetrain was spotless.
I use 5w-30 Castrol from the dealer per the LL04 BMW spec. I change it between 12 and 15000km's. Clearly the oil has no issues nor does the engine in terms of dirt/residue. The mech as very pleased to see how clean it all was. I shall post pics soon of the motor for you to see.

Good luck if you get a BWM. :tup:

That would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the insight :tup:

Do you have the xDrive? I have heard that it is a potential weak spot.

I will pass the enquiry today