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Pushing_Tin 12-20-2009 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Lug (Post 333097)
My biggest dislike of the mustang is the sudo retro interiors. They need to keep the weight down, something Chrysler and Chevy have failed miserably at.

I can take it or leave it, I think the Mustang does retro a hell of a lot better than the Camaro did. The Camaro interior is awful.

SilverBullet 12-20-2009 02:33 AM

I don't like how they make the v6 look uglier than the GT.

ricky bobby 12-20-2009 04:00 AM

I WANNA GO FAST!!! and to the guy that thinks one car is faster than the other i say it depends on who's driving. i had a mustang in the past, most fun i had sideways. :happydance: and as for the Z i love it but me personally i could use another 80hp :tup:

370Zsteve 12-20-2009 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rickey89 (Post 332399)
why not just be happy that these cars will beautify our streets, rather than seeing the sea of compact econo cars

i actually considered waiting for the 11' stang over the Z, but after test driving the Z there was no reason to wait.

I love ford, i have a 67' fastback in the garage thats kind of on the backburner as far as restoration but even so i considered the Z to be more a drivers car, the mustang will be nice, and this is 1 more reason to hurry up and get TT's for my z. but i strongly believe the Z is and will continue to be more track oriented

I came "this close" to buying a '67 fastback in 1984, but instead bought an Alfa Romeo GTV-6. Stupid choice although the Alfa was a blast to drive it was a money pit. That Stang was black on black with a 428 side-oiler dropped into it.

Rickey89 12-20-2009 05:34 AM

ya that stang sounds niice, ill post pics of mine once i get home

its quiet a project though, i have ordered a couple parts already though

carpet/door handles/decklid/and locking kit for the ignition and trunk

370Zsteve 12-20-2009 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rickey89 (Post 333648)
ya that stang sounds niice, ill post pics of mine once i get home

its quiet a project though, i have ordered a couple parts already though

carpet/door handles/decklid/and locking kit for the ignition and trunk

Howz the rust? :icon14:

Pharmacist 12-20-2009 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 332387)
[LIST][*]I'd take a mustang over an Evo any day of the week

:rolleyes: you just posted your own fail right there. Evo are some of the fastest cars out there, with some of the latest technology, double clutch tranny, advanced awd, and a turbo 4-banger that can easily push in excess of 400 hp. It would easily run circles around your precious fintstone mustang.
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[*]dodge caravan is one helluva van
good to see the soccer mon inside you come out.
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[*]mclaren F1 was killed by Ford's own Shelby 500
:rofl2::icon18: you really believe one of the world's greatest cars to be ever made was defeated by a piece of junk ford? you're even more delusional than you appear to be. only thing that killed the f1 was the sticker price.
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[*]370Z is overweight, worst feature of the design
no it isn't. weights just about the same as other cars in its category. cayman, boxster, 135i, 911 carrera, etc...

how much does your precious mustang weigh anyway?

theDreamer 12-20-2009 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 334152)
:rolleyes: you just posted your own fail right there. Evo are some of the fastest cars out there, with some of the latest technology, double clutch tranny, advanced awd, and a turbo 4-banger that can easily push in excess of 400 hp. It would easily run circles around your precious fintstone mustang.
good to see the soccer mon inside you come out.
:rofl2::icon18: you really believe one of the world's greatest cars to be ever made was defeated by a piece of junk ford? you're even more delusional than you appear to be. only thing that killed the f1 was the sticker price.
no it isn't. weights just about the same as other cars in its category. cayman, boxster, 135i, 911 carrera, etc...

how much does your precious mustang weigh anyway?

Sorry, I do not believe a turbo 4 banger is good at all. One reason I stepped away from the Evo in the end. Also, from the test drives I did and research, the Evo really loses power above 90MPH, the Mustang will continue into the 130 just like the Z. The Mustang 5.0L already has 400 horsepower, and the double clutch is nice but it is still slow on the shifts.

The Mustang currently is just below 3,500 pounds for the base GT, about 275 over the base 370z. Considering the other American muscle cars are in excess of 4,000 pounds I would say the Mustang is doing something right.

The Porsche line is 3,000 or less actually, the BMW is around 3,300 so it is on par with what the base 370z has. Then again the stock BMW has leather seats and other "luxury" features you only get in the Touring Z and the touring Z is above 3,300 (I believe around 3,400 actually). Nissan could have shed some weight, but cost would have increased and with the increase in safety standards it pushes weight up. Though not really sure cost would increase by 10,000USD but for a hundred pounds of weight we might pay an extra 500 or 1,000USD. I am sure many here would have been happy with that trade off.

Pharmacist 12-20-2009 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 334189)
Sorry, I do not believe a turbo 4 banger is good at all. One reason I stepped away from the Evo in the end. Also, from the test drives I did and research, the Evo really loses power above 90MPH, the Mustang will continue into the 130 just like the Z. The Mustang 5.0L already has 400 horsepower, and the double clutch is nice but it is still slow on the shifts.

The Mustang currently is just below 3,500 pounds for the base GT, about 275 over the base 370z. Considering the other American muscle cars are in excess of 4,000 pounds I would say the Mustang is doing something right.

The Porsche line is 3,000 or less actually, the BMW is around 3,300 so it is on par with what the base 370z has. Then again the stock BMW has leather seats and other "luxury" features you only get in the Touring Z and the touring Z is above 3,300 (I believe around 3,400 actually). Nissan could have shed some weight, but cost would have increased and with the increase in safety standards it pushes weight up. Though not really sure cost would increase by 10,000USD but for a hundred pounds of weight we might pay an extra 500 or 1,000USD. I am sure many here would have been happy with that trade off.

the evo is rather fast in a straight line. good acceleration with turbos. and the awd give it a lot of traction. still, you're thinking like a typical american, only thinking about straight line performance. i'm talking about track performance. the evo is a formidable track car, and the very advanced awd system gives it remarkable cornering ability.

where do you get your weight figures for porsche? the cayman s is about 3150, and even the base cayman is over 3000 that is without the limited slip diff, bigger wheels and tires, interior luxuries and amenities etc....
a stripped down base carrera with manual gearbox is 3400. the 135i I believe is at least 3500 for a base model without options.

the 370z touring w/o sport or nav is listed as 3230 for manual and 3260 for auto on nissan website. So the z isn't really all that heavy compared to competition. it weights just about right.

dad 12-20-2009 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 330624)
stone age design, stone age technology, stone age quality, stone age reliability. send it to the junk yard

Those stone age Fords, beat the pants off Ferrari, in the 1960's & 1970's!

theDreamer 12-20-2009 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 334602)
the evo is rather fast in a straight line. good acceleration with turbos. and the awd give it a lot of traction. still, you're thinking like a typical american, only thinking about straight line performance. i'm talking about track performance. the evo is a formidable track car, and the very advanced awd system gives it remarkable cornering ability.

where do you get your weight figures for porsche? the cayman s is about 3150, and even the base cayman is over 3000 that is without the limited slip diff, bigger wheels and tires, interior luxuries and amenities etc....
a stripped down base carrera with manual gearbox is 3400. the 135i I believe is at least 3500 for a base model without options.

the 370z touring w/o sport or nav is listed as 3230 for manual and 3260 for auto on nissan website. So the z isn't really all that heavy compared to competition. it weights just about right.

1) The base Z is 3230, the touring Z is closer to 3300.
2) The Porsche numbers are directly from Porsche themselves, same as Nissan numbers. The Z is a great car do not get me wrong, but others have found ways to lighten their 2 seat cars. A base 135i is closer to 3400, actually 3373.
3) I am talking about track racing not straight line racing. Hate to break it to you, but I hate straight line racing. The Evo AWD is nice and will help in the corners, but the Mustang has Torque and top end that the Evo lacks for the track. Now the Evo with a few mods is very quick and opens up nicely, but it still lacks top end power.
4) Again, a 4 banger turbo is not very good in my mind. Lets slap a quality turbo on a Z or Mustang and see what happens. Plus the Evo is an econo car with a turbo.

theDreamer 12-20-2009 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dad (Post 334616)
Those stone age Fords, beat the pants off Ferrari, in the 1960's & 1970's!

:tup:

Pharmacist 12-20-2009 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dad (Post 334616)
Those stone age Fords, beat the pants off Ferrari, in the 1960's & 1970's!

yes, they sure did. in the 1960's and 1970's. check your calendar. we are now in 2009:rolleyes:

nogoodname 12-20-2009 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 334626)
yes, they sure did. in the 1960's and 1970's. check your calendar. we are now in 2009:rolleyes:

:bowrofl: :roflpuke2: :inoutroflpuke: :bowrofl: :roflpuke2: :inoutroflpuke:

take a step back guys... This is too funny

also, we're in 2010 in a matter of days.. Ha

kdo2milger 12-20-2009 06:57 PM

:wtf2:


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