Kia stepped up and who ever is believing their hype will be stepping in it. Kia vehicles do not have a great track record for longevity, quality or retaining value.
The Q50 and Giulia are on a different level.

Kia reliability score... 71

Nissan reliability score 53.

Where your data came from? Here's mine?

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...they-stack-up/


This Kia argument is a lot like the liberal gun debate. A lot of opinion and no fact.

My friends car broke down so it has to be bad.
Hyundai ranks 10, there overall score is 59.
SO Kia is doing something even better than Hyundai despite them using the same parts bin.

Yup, here’s another that puts the Korean cousins in fairly high placings:

2017 Vehicle Dependability Study | J.D. Power
# 1 Lexus.
# 6 Hyundai
# 11 Kia (right behind Jaguar)
Nissan is 23, right ahead of most of FCA which brings up the rear (and Infinity is 29).

The quality argument re Kia and Hyundai is baseless prejudice anymore.

I don't believe the stats. They are just like your governments hype about the Russians, all BS. Very subjective and manipulative by the 'powers' that want/need to convince us of something. Statistics are easy to manipulate and then dump the opinions on the general public. What I do believe are at least seven different people, and a Kia service manger who happens to be a buddy of mine. All have had multiple Kia vehicles and have had nothing but negative issues with them. So bad in fact that all have taken hits and traded them in. That said, I am certain though that Kia can produce some decent vehicles. But I don't believe that the vehicles, or the company for that matter, are awesome, revolutionary, etc, etc. Nothing mind blowing or superlative! They are at best, average. I certainly wouldn't spend my money on them. Again, this is just my opinion based on what I have experienced, seen, heard.

Friends had a Kia.They had a lot of problems with car.My ex wife had a 2003 Hyundai Santa Fe which I bought for her new.No issues with.It was the most reliable vehicle I had owned.She traded in last year for new Santa Fe.
Also I think it is more the model than the manufactor.All companies make some Lemons;including Mercedes.
With any car I would be leery of buying the first year made.Let them work the bugs out.Z steering wheel lock.The Stinger is sporty.
I think the Z is a better looking car than Stinger.If you want more performance in Z add it .

That's it...all vehicles have a lemon or two. Look at the Nissan CVT. Mitsubishi had issues with timing belt actuators failing prematurely (that and lack of owner maintenance). We shall see how the Stinger does. It isn't in the class of a Z but for what you're getting for the price it isn't a bad entry into sports sedan. Take the Genesis Coupe in comparison to the Z/g35/37. Those are decent cars at a fraction of the cost.

I came in for KIA bashing :icon17:

Oh wait I thought it was Hyundai :bowrofl:

SAME PIECE OF CRAP!!

While i believe some of what you say when government's or organizations that accept corporate revenue create reports. But you must be aware of your sources. Your blanket statements about the "reliability conspiracy to uplift a brand" when you use a third party statistic like Consumer Reports falls short.
You can use a stat like true delta or similar if you're skeptical? They would be more honest as in the people reporting took the time to purchase the vehicle and report their incidents. Instead of my buddy told me...

You don't have to like Kia... find them average etc... you can be the stereotypical Hyundai hater all you want. Why? Cuz Murrica? That's why...

But when you step into the realm of stating facts. You have to come with more than he said... she said. I don't care if your friend is the COO of Kia. There are sustainable facts out there and it becomes your job to present them once you base your judgement as fact..

I have seen the opposite of you. I seen my wayward family run Hyundais to death, pulling a quarter million miles out of them while barely maintaining them. I've seen some reliable azz Hyundais. Your witnessing is as valid as mine. That's why we need factual statistics of your claims.

If you want my personal opinion, versus my view of them as a thriving company... I find their vehicles average as well. The main difference between us is I greatly appreciate their efforts in contributing to the car market where supposed heritage companies have sold out the enthusiast for profit.
The STINGER is average looking. But its a step in the right direction for the enthusiast market. And anyone keeping the enthusiast market alive in terms of performance, gets a nod of respect from me...

Cuz What is Nissan doing for its middle class enthiasts?
Ummm Sentra Nismo, Leaf Nismo and midnight edition every wacky doo car Nissan has.:ughdance:

What did Kia do?
Give us a nearly 400hp RWD performance GT with a quality interior for the cash and lots of interior space.
Plus... Not a crossover. I give them extra respect for that.

Which sounds more interesting?
Nismo Leaf? STINGER? :roflpuke2:

I'm not trying to be a rude or anything UNKNOWN_370 but whats the point in all this? go buy a kia stinger already since its so much better lol You've made your point, you think Nissan is a "joke" and "trash"

repeating yourself.. over n over all while doing it on a forum for a car from Nissan... should have ended 6 pages ago.

Again, i know it comes off as rude, im not intending it to be nor am i trying to attack you in anyway lol im just sayin :bowrofl:

Off topic, but are you 4Canada on the other forum?

wait............are we seriously still discussing a fuckin kia?!

no wonder why this forum is dead :facepalm:

4C Forum?
Yessir!
I'm old and have enough trouble remembering passwords, let alone usernames! :tiphat:

Well, this is the "Off Topic / Other Vehicles" section.
That's what it is meant for...

We're car guys. If you're a Nissan-only guy, what are you doing trolling this part of the forum? Meant politely.

I saw a blue stinger today I think it was the gt2 looks better in person really stands out. I think I would take this over the euro's or the Japanese, definitely over a maxima lol

Just to clarify... I never said Nissan is trash. I said they've done nothing for the middle class enthusiast market.

Then I reinforced a fact vs an opinion.

Not offended... but obviously. If u hadda repeat yourself twice about not offending me... u already know u r trying to. But I'm not.

Funny how emotions have become more valid than facts. And they say mind control doesn't exist. :icon17:

Oh and for the money, I'd buy an Alfa.

Anyway I'm done here.

Definitely over a Maxima.

If the transmission shifts like a sports car? I would even possibly choose it over a Q50s?



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