I am waiting at least a year IF Toyota puts out a Supra and to see if it maintains Toyota quality. If the quality is not there, there is no reason to buy a Toyota.

BMW engines in themselves are reliable. It's some of the components related to the engine that aren't (like the High pressure fuel pump debacle from a few years ago). I'm not sure to what extent each company is responsible for building the car, but it would make absolute sense for Toyota to feel secure about the product being released that will ultimately bear it's name.

That's not to say it won't have issues. I'm sure it will. But even every Toyota these days seems to have some sort of recalls, or what not. They're no different than any other manufacturer, in that regard.

I have read from many sources the issues that relate to BMW's reliability are due to over-outsourcing. Of course that is the weak spot for any manufacturer, but since Toyota has literally written the book on automobile manufacturing, I trust their sourcing more than BMW.

Recalls are a result of a quality assurance system working. Companies that don't recall a known issue are either hiding issues or more worried about the bottom line *cough* Nissan *cough* CSC *cough* my NISMO engine...

I can afford to buy an M4 and maintain it....

BMW sucks!!! They lost their way in the late 90's. Period. Of course, corporate sponsorship won't allow mainstream periodicals to preach such truthful heracy. It's funny how the M2 has gotten so much praise but hasn't been compared to anything in its price range on a track. Every car has been compared except the M2. Everyone says it's the second coming of BMW. But where are track comparos to cars in its price range like the camaro 1LE, Mustang GT350, Porsche Cayman S, Corvette Z51, Audi TTS or Lotus Evora

You won't find any.... Why???

The media protects BMW for corporate cash.

Bmw died from me when they went the FI route in the F8XXX series,

the e92 and e90 were the last true M enthusiast cars. I drove a new m4, the car had trouble putting power down on nice grippy michelin tires, it was fun for the first couple of miles but then it just got annoying, that huge torque hit at 2000rpm is great on paper but in real life, if you are not running slicks or some extra wide summer tires, you WILL not hook up - and if you do its because the TC just cut your power. What the new M cars really need is AWD but that would even farther drive them away from what we love about the M cars.
That experience was in summer btw, I don't even want to know what the car with some light snow or rain.

bmw if you are reading this; give us a modern e46m3

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How did BMW lose their way in the 90s, effectively paving the way for their suckage? I honestly would like to know your opinion.

this update is better composed than some of the new renderings Iv seen.

I approve of this update!

Every time I see a Lexus RC out and about it looks shockingly good. A real head-turner IMO. If the Supra is even close to looking as good and is lighter then I will call it a win.

The M2 came in fifth or sixth place (dead last that is) on the latest, forgive my verbage on the exact title of the shootout.."Best drivers car you can actually buy; these arent $200K to $400K Hypercars that won the REAL best drivers car thingy..." Ok, so theres that. Its in Car and Driver, on my coffee table. They hated it. For what its worth. Car rags. Meh. Boxster S got 2nd (fastest Boxster ever, only SLIGHTLY behind a 991.2 911 S at 3.6 to 60mph). First place, Fiat 124...

I like the looks and concept of the Fiat 124, except for the fact that it is a Fiat... If I was in that market, I would go for the GT86 or Miata.

I dont know, I just cant want either the 86 or the Miata. I certainly like the Miata better too. Both are so much money for what you get, the 86 should be $23K, loaded, OTD. Aside from the "fun" handling (it is indeed fun, not fast fun, just fun), its an awful car. Further, Im in Florida, the back road canyon runs consist of a 3 degree 2 km sweeper over a landfill. Ill spend a bit more and have what fun I can getting pushed into my seat on the straights I guess.