Assembly Bill No. AB 1824 - No Loud Cars Law
 

For us California folk,

Assembly Bill No. AB-1824 (Section 4) is looking to pass the following for 2019:

(4) .. Existing law requires every motor vehicle subject to registration to be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise and prohibits a muffler or exhaust system from being equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device. Existing law further prohibits the modification of an exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner that will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle exceeds existing noise limits. This bill would include, among those conditions that are disqualifying, a violation of the above-described requirements related to mufflers and exhaust systems.

There is a petition against this law here: https://www.change.org/p/jay-obernol...-in-california

Save your exhaust! :)

That's all already illegal in California.

Looking at the actual full text, it looks like they can't just give you a fix-it ticket anymore.

It's not making legal exhausts illegal. Like literally nothing will change for you.

Well, I'm screwed! 😁

In Orange County, there are neighborhoods that have signs posted saying no loud vehicles and exhaust, and they will fine you. I believe this is near the Fashion Island in Newport Beach... but there are lot of neighborhoods in So.Cal that are like this with signs posted banning loud vehicles.

F#@k California they have more laws then common sense. Who would want to live there over taxed, over billed and too many ridiculous laws, fires floods and riots, sheez , what a place.

Here's Arizona:

Daamnnnn smog exemption applies only pre-1967!!! That sucks for Arizona....and I used to bitch about Cali smog laws....

LOL, you got to really being stupid to get written for that violation here in AZ. It is not enforced....yet!

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You don't get written up here for smog exemption. You either don't get your vehicle registered for failing smog or you pay $3-600 for a "special smog" (IF and only IF you have the special connections for a "special smog"...)

Yep, and that is doing stupid if you live in Pima or Maricopa county. The rest of the State does not have smog requirements. I have lived in Kingman since 1993 and never had to get my vehicle tested. I don't believe they even check if you don't blow a code but I am no expert on that part of title 28. Also if I am not mistaken modern cars are only test every 5 years so it should be easy (still a pain) to change things out come testing time.

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California has some counties that don't have smog laws either, but then again most properties in those counties also don't have public utilities and are essentially off the grid.

I'm not sure about the modern cars law. I remember a dealer course I took (2011/2012) stated new vehicles are exempt for the first three years and you pay a smog abatement fee instead. Sounds like they must have changed this because I was wondering why I didn't have to smog and its my 4th year since purchase on my Nismo.

It more than likely changed when they started allowing vehicles to be registered for five consecutive years. I registered my 2002 diesel truck truck for five years and I think it cost me $150. I can't remember how many years I have my Nismo registered for lol.

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WHAT?! five consecutive years?... I don't think California has that option...

So wait are you in Arizona, or Southern California (I was snooping:icon14: in the so cal pages and saw you posting there or you just kinda participate everywhere on the forum?).

I play every where on the forum. I live in AZ and used to live in SoCal. My brother and my mom live in Socal so I am familiar with Cali laws. Also spent 20 plus years in law enforcement in AZ and even though it was in fish and wildlife we had to well versed in all areas of law so being next to California, we worked with them closely. And know California doesn't do five years at time because they might want raise rates or change something lol!

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Isn't California going to out law the internal combustion engine in 2025 or something ?

They'll have to pry my hands off the steering wheel. Wait, make that, they'll have to pry my one hand off the steering wheel, my other hand will be on my gun, the one that they already outlawed. :tup:

Just posted.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsRyOeoFNfB/?hl=en

Jesus christ, a $1000 fine?

I wonder what exhaust it is. I believe California uses a specific decibel limitation, it's not up to the officers discretion, and it's not just "anything aftermarket".

*edit* Looked it up, it's 95 dBa.

Per a Z shootout, here are the levels of a few I found from the 350Z.

First number is @ idle, second @ 3K rpm, tested at 20 feet back. California tests at 50 feet back.

OEM: 81db / 89db
Borla: 88db / 92db
NISMO: 84db / 95db
Stillen: 84db / 93db
Injen: 83 db/ 99db
5Zigen: 87db / 105db

They should absolutely fight that if they aren't running test pipes or something.

*double edit*

He's running a Tomei and probably a test pipe (even race tracks have lower decibel limits), and posts street racing in traffic on his Instagram. He also wrecked a previous Z due to a "truck that came out of nowhere". I'd argue the guy was driving like a jackass and gave the cop cause.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BepGSWLHgwx/?hl=en

ATTENTION! California Z Owners - New Exhaust Law for 2019
 

Has anyone seen the new Assembly Bill No. AB 1824? it's been all over social media. Basically they're starting to crack down on modified cars with exhausts systems and instead of before where it was correctable, it is now NON correctable and it will be a fine of $1,000.

Here's one of the videos floating around on IG:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfnZSA2qv7M

Is anybody going back to stock or going to modify their exhaust to make it more quieter? LOL

I already saw like 3 modified cars pulled over to the side of the road on my way home from work today.

You guys are screwed. Stock Nismo exhaust will be your friend.

Wouldn't FI 18" res exhaust be quite enough?

It may but the shinny mufflers may draw their attention. Who knows. They are just enforcing a cash COW in my book.

CF mufflers.



I think Stillen is even quieter the FI 18" (or maybe it's Berk I am thinking of).

There's a lot of mis-information about the new law. It's not illegal to have a modified exhaust, it just has to be under the maximum db rating of I believe is 95 db's. Not to say that a shiny exhaust won't get you pulled over. Glad my FI canisters are carbon fiber. :tup:

I thought CA is all about illegals, why not exhaust systems.

that's correct... Obnoxiously loud exhaust has always been illegal and they are now attached a fine to it. 95db is quite loud.

I personally like exhaust with a nice tone, but not the fart cans that sound like a broken exhaust that scare away the roaches a mile away. And those Harley's with open pipe that wake up the whole city miles away. :shakes head:

Out of curiosity, does this affect the Harley Loud Pipes Save Lives crowd? Not sure if this is an all inclusive noise ordinance or do bikes get a pass?

Loaded post......
I got a ticket and ref'd. I'll get it fixed, certified at the ref station, pay the fine, and move on. And it's not 1k. Too much misinformation. Modified and loud exhaust has been on the books in CA for years. Now it's no longer just a fix it. There is now a fine associated to it. It is a shake down. Where the hell does all the money go 'cause this state ain't getting better.

Thanks for the clarification Raf. :tup: Didn't the FCC just shut down the idea of charging you guys for text messages to subsidize cell phones for everyone program? :p

Anything to take money from the people. When will Californians wake up?

I'm inclined to go to trial for my ticket. I was at 35 mph cruising on 4th gear, clearly rpm was low, officer had no db meter to determine that I was more than 95dbs. He came from afar to get to me before the stop and shut the engine. He did not ask me to rev, I had carb stickers on my CAI ( yes he asked me to pop the hood). Clearly has zero evidence that I was at 95db. And did not look underneath to check if exhaust was modified.

When was this? I feel like with the passing of this new law any LEO can ticket you for their own discretion which is totally screwed up.

Did some research and found a few documents:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4906/...c5d2bd40_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7858/...6c09d672_b.jpg

Aren't 'I all exhaust system modifications prohibited?

No. Section 27151 VC prohibits the modification of the exhaust system to amplify or increase the noise emitted by the vehicle, making the vehicle not in compliance with Section 27150 VC or exceeding the noise limits established in Sections 27201-27206 VC. Section 27151 VC does not prohibit all modifications to an exhaust system. It also does not prohibit all modifications that increase the noise level of the exhaust system over that of the original, factory-installed exhaust system (as it did until 1980). It only prohibits modifications that result in a noise level higher than those specified In Sections 27201-27206 VC. Accurately determining compliance with Sections 27201-27206 VC for enforcement purposes is generally impractical. Enforcement personnel must make an informed professional evaluation to determine if excessive noise statutes are being violated.

^ This pretty much says it's OK to have a modified exhaust as long as its under 95 dcb.

But at the same time people like you are getting cited without LEO's making a "professional evaluation" whether or not you're over 95.

What the f*ck california LOL

Go to court. What do you have to loose. You can't let them get away with it. Next thing you know you will have to pay a tax if you pass gas. Methane tax.

That's just it, all these tickets, don't mean they all will hold up in court. They giving them out like candy right now and thinking most people wont look into it any further and accept it, let alone fight it. Eventually as more people start calling their bull*%$ and fighting them, they'll start doing it by the book.

fight a ticket in sacramento? the kicker is they have their own parking lot and charge U to park to fight ticket, there is nowhere else to park as they have parking restriction signs surrounding the neighborhood.:rofl2:

Gthaus exhaust is not that loud lol, it’s very loud sooner or later Ima get a ticket.

I recommend everyone go to court and fight it. I fight all my tickets and I’ve gotten every ticket u can think of except DUI

Been looking around myself & it looks like this document has a date of 11/98 The following is presented as a public service I see nothing new on the VC Codes Display Text
I have been unable to locate a new CHP memo either. other than it looks like the same regs are in play( nothing new) but now there is a fine. If anyone finds anything new regulation, please post it. :tiphat:

"Enforcement personnel must make a professional evaluation to determine if excessive noise statutes are being violated."

To me, a professional evaluation should include either a professional audio engineer (or similar professional with relevant experience) or professional equipment to make the determination. My guess is CA will pay for enforcement personnel to get certified in a relevant audio field or the state will buy them all dB meters to add to their utility belts. At the taxpayers' expense, of course.

Don't blame the cops for hassling the modified cars, it is all because of those idiots who are involved in illegal street racing, taking over street intersections and mall parking lots doing burnouts etc...

I recalled that some cities are less mod-car friendly than the others. If you have a highly mod car, it's probably a good idea to stay away.

I heard that they have some kind of mobile smog check stations, and they can impound your car if you removed the cats.

Good info