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I absolutely love that Nissan decided to make a new Z and their decision to make the new z standard only speaks volumes, but i think Nissan really set the bar with the 370z. Despite the common issues our cars have, overall its an amazing car. I don't think this new z is up to what Nissan is capable of. This in itself i think will only make previous Z's more relevant and desired. |
I may be mistaken but when he was saying tech I assumed he meant from a chassis, engine, transmission, suspension standpoint. Meaning, the architecture for this car is old and the engine is from a car released in 2017.
From that perspective there is less to be excited about. It's not a ground up build where we'll see new everything. My points are still that this helps keep cost low and reliability high, while providing a very nice upgrade over the current 370. It's a wise business decision and probably the only way we were going to get a new Z during these difficult times for the company and the push for electrification. I think Nissan is still able differentiate this car significantly from the 370 with better brakes, better handling, more (tunable) power, refreshed design, and some modern screen tech. |
Side pro is good, front looks like what Scion already failed at and the rear obviously pulled off the already :icon23: ugly 240Z. Yup pun intended.
Couldn't care less about tech nor power making up for other low lights. If I did I wouldn't have taken the 420 hp hit to own a 370Z, yes previous platform had 750hp:rolleyes:. As for price, I can't justify the price of a new 370Z as I bought my '10 Sport Touring with 72k on it in 2016 for $15k (clean title, no wrecks etc., yes well bought) so obviously won't be able to for the 400 neither. The 370Z will be the pinnacle for Nissan's design of the Z platform. :tup: With what I view a an aesthetic fail in the 400Z next up for me will be 718 Porsche. |
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1. Would you rather Nissan partner with another car maker such as Toyota with Subaru or Toyota with BMW with the making of the BRZ/FRS or the Supra? Basically one could say that the Supra doesn't have much in other than the shell, QA of the car and a tune? 2. Considering the R&D that would be needed to build a new engine - would you be willing to pay much more than lets say $45k for a new engine and new technology? Considering they already have a twin turbo for the Q - why not use the same engine and technology - work on adding a manual to it - and work out the kinks - maybe look at the existing shortcomings of the Q60 and look to improve on that for the new Z. This way your focus can be on things such as the shell, the improvement of the engine and other things to make it a revision as far as teh engine of the Q60 and giving the looks and interior tech of the new Z. I don't know - again, I understand that the hype makes it seem like this would be a BRAND NEW car and it feels more like a refresh that should have happened several years ago. |
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1. Would I prefer Nissan were able to produce a wholly new car on their own? Yes. But if it took collaborating with another manufacture to produce something fresh and innovative, I wouldn't turn my nose up at it. Just as long as the car was mostly Nissan (if that makes sense). 2. Yeah, if Nissan were to produce a real banger, I'd pay the money for it. If the Nismo version of the Z was a 4L twin turbo with a kick *** transmission and suspension, I'd feel justified paying a bit more. Hell, I was in the market for a Q60 Black S had they followed through with their ambitions. 3. I'm not knocking them for using the engine. I'm knocking them for deciding to do it so late. I feel like the introduction of the Q50/Q60 and the VR30 platform should've been when it took place. I mean they've had a solid twin turbo V6 since what? 2009. The kinks have been worked out. If they want to take a twin turbo engine/set up from one of their own, they could've literally just handed that down to the Z in 2015, and made a new platform for the GTR. The most "innovative" thing they did for the Z in the past 10 years was add Recaro seats to the Nismo. |
To the OP, complaining about a "lack of innovation" on the upcoming "400Z", what do you think they should have done? I like the simplicity. Less stuff to break. Tech for tech's sake sucks.
I have a 2017 370Z which through an aftermarket head unit has Android Auto. The only things that I wish the car could have is blind spot monitoring and ventilated seats would be great too. I understand Nissan's budget on the 400Z was around $240 million. A total new design from the ground up on a new chassis is over a billion. I'm amazed that they are going to release a 400Z at all, considering Nissan's rough last few years and the world economic doldrums we are in. They don't sell enough of cars like this to justify dropping a billion on a total new design. If Nissan had done a total new design from the ground up, 400Z's or whatever they would have called it would probably start at $50K and go up from there. The new 400Z will have a V6 twin turbo, 6-speed manual or probably a 9-speed auto, updated safety features and blind spot monitoring, updated infotainment, revised chassis, good build quality/fit and finish, and great looks. What more is there to want for a reasonable price? |
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The GT-R's twin turbo engine is hand-built by a group of 4 guys. Would cost too much to put that engine into a Z. Perhaps they could have taken the GT-R's engine and built it on an assembly line instead, thus lowering the costs. You're wanting Nissan to sell a 565hp car for $50K. LOL |
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Loading down the new Z with useless nanny features is nothing I'm interested in. Go get a mini van if you want that junk |
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Here's a quote from Car and Driver: Like its beastly brother, the Nissan GT-R, the 400Z is expected to be powered by a twin-turbocharged V-6. But, instead of the fire-breathing 565-hp 3.8-liter that’s under the hood of the GT-R, the 400Z will likely get the 300-hp 3.0-liter mill from the Infiniti Q60. It's also possible that high-performance NISMO variant could get the 400-hp version of that engine that's currently exclusive to the Q60 Red Sport 400. While all-wheel drive is available in the Infiniti, we expect Nissan will stick with rear-wheel drive exclusively for the 400Z. Nissan has promised a six-speed manual transmission as standard, but we expect that a seven-speed automatic will also be offered as an option. And although this article is old, I haven't seen any others that mention a 9 speed auto. |
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