why is it over for the Z and why can it not compete?

to be honest if/when the next Z gets made i'm pretty sure it'll look leaps and bounds better than the camaro and the mustang. which in america is it's real compeition based on power and price point.

Building on this point, compare the 2009 Z when it was released to the 2009 Mustang (3600lbs, 210HP V6 or 305HP V8), Camaro (lolz just a concept), Cayman/S (3000lbs, 255HP/310HP H6).

With all of the RnD and technology advancements, the new Z will be a hot contender.

finally you say something i agree with :bowrofl:

I've got a stick you can shift ;)

annnnnd we're back :shakes head:

COMPETE??????????

The Z doesn't try to compete against any car as there are NO CARS TO TRULY COMPETE in that way.... It needs to be quality, feature rich with compelling performance for the NICHE MARKET not the mass market.

It's a budget Cayman/Vette alternative for those who can't afford them. The Solstice is no more as is the Rx8. What the Z has to do is make a package SO compelling it will make people want to own a piece of Nissan heritage.

That said, the goal should be 12,000 units worldwide.
Performance sells in this market but convenience needs to have some precedence.

Lightweight and hydraulic steering to murder the feedback game.

Engine options and price range competitor 400lbs lighter the camaro v6.

250HP FRS killer at $26k 2800lbs

300HP camaro v6 competitor /2,900lbs

400HP camaro SS killer/ 2,900lbs

Nismo Porsche GT4 killer/ 3,050lbs (body bracing and wider wheels.)

Grip Z is 2500lbs with a 4 banger and AWD so it can be done.

The appeal for such a such a car will steal Vette sales...

We did it in 89, we can do it again.

!:inoutroflpuke:

400hp and 2900lbs... i just don't see that happening.

i can see it being around that.

i believe my Z came stock at 3232lbs. probably lost 50 or so lbs from losing the cats and extra exhaust weight. then more weight when dropping those bulky intake boxes etc...


the new engine with all the intercooler weight is only 12.3lbs heavier than the 3.7 VQ. so you're not gaining much there and again drop the stupid cats and uneeded exhaust weight it'll drop nicely.

they have it listed as 3274 for the base. the sport was around 3350. now you're asking to loose 300-400lbs. (we know they can't sell the car without the cats) that's something you can do yourself lol.

if the z hypothetically was to be 2900lbs and 400hp, then the title of this thread would be true and it would cost upwards of 60k. i just don't see it as being possible to weigh that little and have that much hp for 40k

base 6mt is 3232 - 7at base is 3269

the sport really only adds extra from heavier calipers, forged wheels, and the wing which isnt that heavy.

without putting it on an actual scale it would be 3400 max.

and yes they cant sell it without but im sure they come right off.............well given theres no demon bolt.

exhaust would be scrapped as fast as someone makes a set if i get the next Z even if i have someone custom make it lol

400 hp 2900 lbs is not happening without a big bump in price for lighterweight materials. I expect a minor weight drop with a power bump.

The only glimmer of hope is how common cf materials have become over the years the price is coming down.

I agree 2900 isn't attainable but I could see it 3200-3400 which honestly wouldn't be bad.

Current Z with less power at ~3400lbs is still a good car and drives well. Add power and same weight still sounds like a win to me

We've been saying this for a while. We'd all be realistically pretty stoked to see a 420/370 3300lb Z. Totally doable with the tooling already there too. Same pricing, maybe even a bit lower for base models. Id like to see base around $29 flat OTD.

If that was the outcome I would happily go get something similar to what I have now. Sport package with touring pack nav and AT. Sticker on mine was 44k and of happily pay that or a bit more for the extra power.

The potential of a factory boosted engine is so much greater than the NA currently it'll be worth it. Breathers and tune alone will unlock a good bit of power.