Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 3961074)

Time to start a new Z36 thread?



I'd buy this.

Originally Posted by takemorepills (Post 3961070)

Personally, I absolutely disregard the modern Supra. The fact that it is a BMW 100% completely turns me off. And if it doesn't turn off others I know, I'd just point them to some YT videos on the perils of slightly older BMW repairs.

The Supra may be competitive in the new car space that attracts short-term owners, but many long time Supra fans who value a car that performs AND has legendary Toyota reliability will be turned off by the BMW Supra.

OK, so rant over.

I agree with your pricing assumptions, but let me point out even more positive points:

The current Q60 3.0T starts at $41K MSRP.
This includes rear seats, dual screen infotainment, presumably a more expensive interior, and other obligatory Infiniti doo-dads.

The fact that the base 3.0T is 300HP leads me to believe a few things:

Nissan will NOT call the new Z "400Z". I think people are assuming the new Z to be 400HP. I think Nissan will choose either "300Z" because the VR30 is here to stay and will come in many different tunes with many different available outputs. It's a very flexible engine. If Nissan doesn't choose "300Z" they'll likely chose a "Z" term of some other sort, but not 400.

The VR30 is available in 300HP and 400HP. There is not a very big cost difference between the two, nor are either drivetrains much different from 300HP to 400HP. As far as I know, Nissan turns up the boost on the 400HP VR30 and uses turbine speed sensors on the turbos to monitor turbine speed. No big, expensive parts differences between the two engines.

The Proto Z has the turbine speed sensor on the trio gauges, leading me to believe Nissan will definitely have a 400+HP Z available on initial rollout.
But, don't be surprised to see the lower output VR30 in a "base" model Z. Sure, it might have less HP than the VQ37 (although, I don't see why Nissan couldn't tune up the base VR30 to similar VQ37 HP) but it does have better torque available for a wider rev range.

Also, it didn't stop Infiniti from releasing the 3.0T 300HP even though the previous VQ37 cars outperformed the base VR30. So, wouldn't surprise me if Nissan played the same pattern this time with the Z.

Thank goodness we won't be getting that horrid MB 4 banger!

Lastly, those who are fretting over the front bumper grill. I wouldn't put too much into it, to me the front bumper grill looks wildly "under baked". No matter if someone likes it or not, it seems like an unfinished design detail. Way to elementary of a design to be an actual production piece. I'd expect a few more details to be added to the front bumper cover to make it look better.

Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 3961074)

Time to start a new Z36 thread?



I'd buy this.

Originally Posted by Andaesthetics (Post 3961153)

I'm curious as to why they didn't go with a design closer to these concepts.

The 1st one looks similar to the Proto, but more crisp and aggressive. The 2nd definitely looks like more of a concept and less realistic in terms of bringing that design to life. The 3rd I like how the rear end slopes more off the roof line straight towards the taillights and creates that ledge then angles back in and almost straight down to the diffuser and exhaust tips. Where as with the Proto, the middle-bottom area protrudes out, creating that hump.

IMO, instead of focusing on making it look like the older Zs, they should've designed the Proto with more of these cool, concept designs without going over the top. I think this would've appealed to more people for sure. I know most of the time concept designs aren't possible to create because of regulations, engineering, and what have you. However, looking at other cars of today especially supercars and hypercars, they have a lot of crazy, sharp, and concept-like looking designs while still making it to production, passing regulation, and being road legal. So, again while I fully understand it is not possible to put an entire concept into production, it is definitely possible to implement more of these conceptual design elements. I feel they just decided not to.

I like the overall look and aesthetic of the car, but they did not hit it out of the park by any means. I appreciate the retro looks and styling. I just wish they would've added more of the concept-driven designs with less retro/throwback styling, but that's just my personal taste. And who knows maybe they'll make changes and add some more conceptual details come production time.

Originally Posted by Optimiser (Post 3961151)

Anyone seen this yet?

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3961178)

Back in the days of the Grip Z coupe concept &when Nissan talked to Jay Leno.

They talked about having a more pure sports car drive, yet with more grand touring usability. They wanted to build a car Mr. K would be proud of as he felt, before he passed, the Z34, had lost the purity of past Z's.



So in one of my past analysis back in 2013, I stated that for this Z to have a pure driving experience yet be a good grand tourer. The Z would have to grow 5 to 6 inches in length, and squat down to 51", which would make it big enough to get a 240z sized trunk but yet be small enough to stay nimble. I also said nissan would have to stretch the wheelbase to about 104".



I wasnt far off from reality. This Z proto is 172.5" long

51.6 inches high, which means a nismo model would be around 51" high. Havent heard what the wheelbase is yet? But im sure im not far off either...



What I did say though was the Z would have to decrease in weight from its first year weights which were

3232lbs manual base

3280lbs auto.

So im hoping we'd see at least 3120 base manual and 3200 auto.

This i have less confidence in. Figuring another 80 lbs for the sport pkg and 120lbs for the nismo.

Maxing it out at no more than 3400lbs for the big boy?

But im probably too hopeful in this dept? Either way I can dream and it is nice going down a checklist of more things nissan has done right instead of a checklist of what they did wrong.



And yes. Im prating the front end is a prototype only and they embolden the cars beautiful lines on the side.



It would also be nice to see a surpriss announcement of a 2500lb idx with the qx30 engine boosted to about 240hp and DCT going for 30k. Nissan needs to go back to its roots. They can call it the 200sx.



The maxima name is supposed to be dying off. Well, here's a chance to make a real sports sedan out of the altima or kick in with a futuristic sport sedan.



Cuz the only way the Z will really sell well? Is if the whole lineup, updates into interesting cars in all price ranges.

Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid (Post 3961185)

I like the fact nissan made the Z longer, shorter and wider. Although very minimal of the height and width.
I dont like small, short wheelbase sports cars.
But as for the weight, I doubt it would lighter.
Since they are using the same chassis as the 370z. And they have to improve on that.

I'll be in my bunk!

Originally Posted by Zingston (Post 3961193)

I agree! Making the Z longer, while still shorter is quite a Nissan engineering feat. The width, well yeah not so much. :tiphat:

Originally Posted by chubbs (Post 3960975)

being in the uk, i had no idea of the meaning of the phrase you add to the end of each post, so i googled it. Apparently it means that you are going to masturbate.

Why do you need to do this so often?

Originally Posted by chubbs (Post 3960975)

Being in the UK, I had no idea of the meaning of the phrase you add to the end of each post, so I googled it. Apparently it means that you are going to masturbate.

Why do you need to do this so often?

Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 3961074)

time to start a new z36 thread?



I'd buy this.