2011 370z 7AT w/sportpackage
 

I was quoted $33,891 for 2011 370z 7AT w/sportpackage, and $37,115 for it with Touring without Nav, it doesn't include Dealer Installed Accessories, Tax, License, or Doc Fees.
Any advice?

Both quotes seem high. Also, do not let them force dealer installed options on you. Tell them no and save yourself a couple hundred bucks!

Seems like a shitty deal to me.

And yeah, there are multiple Nissan dealers on the site here to work with. You could get a much better deal through them, Im sure. Either that, or simply say, "I want to see the invoice". If they give you some BS like how you need to commit to buying the car before seeing it, walk out. Your ultimate tool is simply walking out. Paying more than invoice is silly, IMHO.

Hmm alright, then what would a good/decent price range be for them both?

Look in this very forum. We have invoice pricing for all packages/options...pull out a calculator and do the math :)

Doc fees :owned:

Doc Fees alone are the biggest ripoff in the Auto Sales business. Get a real quote from them. An "out-the-door" quote. And if your deal isn't the same number as the quote when they draw up the paperwork, walk.

I posted this in another thread, and this is just a best guess since I haven't seen the 2011 invoice prices.

For Base 7AT:
Sport - $32,850, $32,350, $31,850 (Fair, Good, Great)

Uhhh....why are you spitting out used car pricing to this guy?

Dont know what other options are in your package, but here you go for 2010 (probably VERY close to 2011):

Base Model 7 speed automatic
MSRP $31,460
Invoice $29,474

Touring Model 7 speed automatic
MSRP $36,130
Invoice $33,464

R01 - Sports package*
MSRP $3,000
Invoice $2,602


Those of course, dont include little options such as illuminated sills and ****.

2011 is more than 2010. Get on zag.com and check the invoice price

That seems good to me. My Z is a 2009 with 6700 miles on it. It is a coupe with sports package, 7 auto, spoiler, etc. Here is the blue book information on my particular Z.

2009 Nissan 370Z - Suggested Retail Value - Kelley Blue Book

Certified: $37,725

Retail: $37,375

Private Party: Excellent $34,875

Good $33,375

Fair $30,875

Trade in: Excellent $32,250

Good $30,750

fair $28,150

Sticker on mine was $43,000 new. Mine has the illuminated kickplates, painted splash gaurds,...all the bells and whistles. I have the sticker still if youd like a photo of it so see what all mine has to help you judge this deal you were quoted.

P.S. No way in H*ll i'd pay sticker!

Hope all this helps you out!!!! ; )

I have no idea why anyone is posting KBB values on their used cars, or how it could possibly help this guy purchase a brand new 370.

And duh, obviously the 2011 is more than the 2010 - its gone up like, every year slightly. My prices were for approximation only.

I posted them to show him that the price quoted was in fact a good deal. His brand new Z was quoted to him for the same retail price as my used Z.

Except your logic is incorrect, and you are wrong. The price of your 2-year old 370Z has almost nothing to do with his brand new 2011 Z.

KBB pricing has nothing to do with invoice in the first place. Furthermore, how can you even compare a KBB used value price on a car that is brand new? What if your car had 50000 more miles on it and the value was that much less? Besides the fact that no dealerships uses KBB when buying used/new cars anyway - they use NADA.

If you add up my INVOICE prices, a 2010 Touring 7AT + Sport, without any other options yet, would be around $35700. Tacking on a couple piddly things like splash guards and illuminated kick plates, and he's around $36000. Now, this is all approximation of course, since the 2011's are slightly more. But, not over $1000 more I believe. So I'll stand by my original statement: its not that great of a deal, and he can get more money off of their offer.

Where your wrong is that i'm not giving him used car prices. I never even look at used car prices and I'm not sure how you figured that based on my original post.

I took the exact same 2010 invoice prices as you $29,474 + $2,602 = $32,076. Now, the base MSRP has risen about $1,200 for 2011, so less just say the invoice went up $800. That gives you:

$32,850 = invoice (fair deal)
$32,350 = 500 below invoice (good deal)
$31,850 = 1000 below invoice (great deal)

I was just trying to do the guy a favor by adding everything up for him.

+1 for you.

The largest nationwide car dealer uses kbb, carmax. And my logic is correct. He is getting a new z for the retail price of a used one.

Hi guys, thanks for your input!
Now I was offered $33,429 by koeppelnissan.
That's the lowest I've got so far out 10 dealers for 2011 auto base sport .. lol

Your logic is wrong lol. Apply your concept to other vehicles and it doesnt work at all - its all based on depreciation. You cant just say, "Oh yeah, thats a great deal - KBB says my car is worth XXX after X years and X miles, so the deal offered to you is awesome!". It just happens that KBB thinks your car for retail value (AKA, used, from a dealership with 6K miles) is worth 37K. Nobody is going to pay retail value on a used car with 6k miles, unless they're a complete fool and dont know a thing about buying a vehicle.

In your case, you may have bought your car for invoice price (which was...what, 37-38K?) 2 years ago. Then you just threw up a KBB valuation saying your car is worth....37K after 2 years and 6K+ miles. You think you'll sell that thing for 37K right now? And what connection at all does that have with a new Z? You're saying a brand new Z probably WITHOUT all the bells and whistles (not even same options as you) being offered to him for 37K is a GREAT deal cause your car which HAD all the bells and whistles and is 2 years old is supposedly worth 37K!...which is apples to oranges, of course. 2 cars, 2 years apart, different packages.

He's getting a new Z for invoice price (or less), which is cheaper than a new Z at MSRP. Thats a good deal. Saying he's getting a new Z at the same (or less) price as the retail for a used 2 year old, 6K mile Z means absolutely nothing. At all. Period. It just means a website says your Z is worth so much, and he's getting a better price than that.

I'd say you got a good deal there, fo sho. Take it duder. Besides, thats 4K cheaper than the value of a used 2 year old 6K mile Z, that has all the bells and whistles. Thats GOTTA be good......right? lol

Lol, I did read what you wrote. You should have elaborated more. Anytime people start talking about "Fair", "Good" or "Great" when it comes to the value of a vehicle, they are GENERALLY talking about the condition of the vehicle. Your post was so vague and lacking any information that it was the safest bet.

Your math seems pretty fair to me, depending on what the true invoice price on the car is, of course.

I think pricing also might be affected by when you buy it, but I'm not completely sure. You might be able to get a better deal if you buy in the winter like I did. Back when I was searching in January, I saw some new 7AT's listed as low as $27-28k brand new for the base model. There were also several used ones that were exactly the same, but more expensive. The best prices I saw for a new 7AT with the sport package was around $33k, so you definitely have a good deal there. I got a good deal on mine (7AT touring, certified used) IMO because there was a snowstorm that weekend and I drove through the beginning of it to get the car. It was listed at $28k the beginning of the week and I offered $27k, but they wouldn't budge. 2 days later, they just dropped it to $26k and I went there that weekend to get it.

Everything is about supply and demand, really. Nice weather, they're less hard-pressed to get the car off their lot. Winter storm or winter weather? They'll wheel and deal a bit more just to get rid of some extra stock. So yes, time of year can definitely impact sales price.

Fair enough. Like I said, I stole it from my post in another thread, so it was probably missing some detail.

To the OP, I think you can still do better than 33.4k

:iagree: If you can hold out you will safe.

agree i bought mine on jan 1 on this year, and got amazing deal on a new 2010 which the dealer was desperate to sell. got mine fully loaded, at slightly above invoice price. timing plays a huge role, especially at month end or when newer model year are beginning to roll onto the lots.

Good advice, but slightly above invoice is only an OK deal at best. As long as your enjoying the car though it doesn't matter :driving:

Offer $500 above invoice. That's all I would pay for any new car.
I highly doubt 370's are moving well in this economy right now,

And watch out on the interest rate. The dealer has many ways to try and get the price they want.

Good Luck... Z's are a blast to own.