I think I got a killer deal...

Push370zzz · 05-29-2015, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HulaGirl

No button.

They were "busy" and ask me to come back Monday. Gonna head back now. I have their printout taped to the car. There's 18" wheels on the car and the sticker says 19" or more specifically:
19" x 9" Fr/19" x 10" Rr RAYS Forged Alloy Inc. super lightweight

Since Base delivered is around $30,800 and Sport delivered is around $34,400, the difference is $3600. You got it for $27000, which would be a $7400 discount off of a Sport, or roughly 78%. I would start with demanding a similar price deal on yours, which is around $3k less than you paid. Will they write you a check for $3k? Probably not. Maybe you can settle around $1500-2500 with them, in my opinion that would be fair.

Anecdote.........

My last car prior to my Z was a used 2012 BMW 3 Series Sedan I bought back in Sep of 2012. The dealer advertised it as though it had Premium Package (which retails for $3100) for a sale price of $37500. I negotiated a price with them which was a steal, $34000 (new they were roughly $47k in with the options it had), and then upon arrival to the dealership (4 hour drive) discovered it did not have Premium Package. I confidently told them I would buy it if they took off the MSRP of $3100 for Premium Package expecting them to counter with $1.5k or $2k which I would have definitely considered. They just said yes and sold me the car for $30900. Of course, this was prior to any transaction so different than your situation but the point is, you have the ball in your court because they misrepresented the situation AND have already taken your vehicle in on a trade. They may be unable to reverse it. Go in there heartbroken about the SRM and wheels and "deception" and go get the deal you thought you did.

HulaGirl · 05-29-2015, 05:31 PM

Here's just one of the cached pages. Judge for yourself:

Used 2015 Nissan 370Z For Sale | Toms River NJ

Zoren 370 · 05-29-2015, 05:49 PM

Oh my God cant believe Im reading this. One wonderful deal turned out to be a farce from the dealer.

The only thing I can find is you can charge them for the 19's ray wheels. As its the only one listed in the spec.

The argument would be is they would say sport which means sports car and not sports package!

Definitely they misrepresented the car in the ads.
As you have said even for a base Z you still got it lower than the market price. Thats another argument they might use against your claim.

But yes I hate to get the one that you didn't like.

Update us what the dealer would say when you come back and see them.

HulaGirl · 05-29-2015, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoren 370

Oh my God cant believe Im reading this. One wonderful deal turned out to be a farce from the dealer.

The only thing I can find is you can charge them for the 19's ray wheels. As its the only one listed in the spec.

The argument would be is they would say sport which means sports car and not sports package!

Definitely they misrepresented the car in the ads.
As you have said even for a base Z you still got it lower than the market price. Thats another argument they might use against your claim.

But yes I hate to get the one that you didn't like.

Update us what the dealer would say when you come back and see them.

Since it specifically says "Trim Level" I'm not so sure it can be written off as just "sports" car but the way these guys are going, I'm sure they'll try.

I love the car but it's definitely false advertising and it's in more than 1 place.

HulaGirl · 05-29-2015, 06:08 PM

I've added a lot of excitement to the forum since joining ;-)
Seriously, I really appreciate all of your replies.

Anyone want to venture a guess on the value of the
19"RAYS forged alloy wheels Y-rated would be worth in comparison to the
18" Black-finish aluminum-alloy wheels Yokohama Advan Sport W-rated tires?

Looks like RAYS are about $352.00

Zoren 370 · 05-29-2015, 06:58 PM

The last time I asked the sports 19 Rays Bnew at a Nissan dealership for a 09 to 12 models its about 4t plus for a set without tires.

Used you can buy a set over here at the for sale section 1k for a decent one.
But yours is 2015 I would have no idea.

Have you already told them about your claim of "Deceitful Advertising"?

HulaGirl · 05-29-2015, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoren 370

The last time I asked the sports 19 Rays Bnew at a Nissan dealership for a 09 to 12 models its about 4t plus for a set without tires.

Used you can buy a set over here at the for sale section 1k for a decent one.
But yours is 2015 I would have no idea.

Have you already told them about your claim of "Deceitful Advertising"?

I decided not to go there (deceitful) first and just listen to what they had to say. A lot of excuses and the fact that they have a disclaimer on the page. Of course the disclaimer also says something to the effect that if the customer has any questions to speak with sales agent. I had no questions. I trusted that what they were representing was indeed true.
"Deceitful" will be our next conversation. I'm not done. At minimum they need to make good on the wheel package in the form of the tires as advertised or price.

HulaGirl · 05-29-2015, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoren 370

The last time I asked the sports 19 Rays Bnew at a Nissan dealership for a 09 to 12 models its about 4t plus for a set without tires.

4t?

Are you saying $4000.00?

Zipper 104 · 05-30-2015, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoren 370

Oh my God cant believe Im reading this. One wonderful deal turned out to be a farce from the dealer.

The only thing I can find is you can charge them for the 19's ray wheels. As its the only one listed in the spec.

The argument would be is they would say sport which means sports car and not sports package!

Definitely they misrepresented the car in the ads.
As you have said even for a base Z you still got it lower than the market price. Thats another argument they might use against your claim.

But yes I hate to get the one that you didn't like.

Update us what the dealer would say when you come back and see them.

Can't really agree unless OP walks away with restitution she cannot refuse. Base below market or not; the OP didn't get what was advertised....whether she knew it or not. I'd want a Sport as advertised or my money back. Period.

Something far less than this happened when I did my deal and it ate at me for months.

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HulaGirl · 05-29-2015, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Push370zzz

Since Base delivered is around $30,800 and Sport delivered is around $34,400, the difference is $3600. You got it for $27000, which would be a $7400 discount off of a Sport, or roughly 78%. I would start with demanding a similar price deal on yours, which is around $3k less than you paid. Will they write you a check for $3k? Probably not. Maybe you can settle around $1500-2500 with them, in my opinion that would be fair.

Anecdote.........

My last car prior to my Z was a used 2012 BMW 3 Series Sedan I bought back in Sep of 2012. The dealer advertised it as though it had Premium Package (which retails for $3100) for a sale price of $37500. I negotiated a price with them which was a steal, $34000 (new they were roughly $47k in with the options it had), and then upon arrival to the dealership (4 hour drive) discovered it did not have Premium Package. I confidently told them I would buy it if they took off the MSRP of $3100 for Premium Package expecting them to counter with $1.5k or $2k which I would have definitely considered. They just said yes and sold me the car for $30900. Of course, this was prior to any transaction so different than your situation but the point is, you have the ball in your court because they misrepresented the situation AND have already taken your vehicle in on a trade. They may be unable to reverse it. Go in there heartbroken about the SRM and wheels and "deception" and go get the deal you thought you did.

Thanks for doing the math :-)
Hubby and I are discussing the possible outcomes.
At minimum the tires and the rims
Cash refund
Reporting the fraudulent advertising to State Department of Consumer Affairs and I have a way to get the complaint noticed.

Fuzzzy · 05-30-2015, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HulaGirl

Thanks for doing the math :-)
Hubby and I are discussing the possible outcomes.
At minimum the tires and the rims
Cash refund
Reporting the fraudulent advertising to State Department of Consumer Affairs and I have a way to get the complaint noticed.

At their first sign of them balking at whatever you decide to demand/ask from them, I'd drop that this is on your "to-do list" with a copy of your complaint going to the state attorney general.

I think their calling it a 370Z Sport as well as listing "Trim: Sport" not only implies, but represents, it is the Sport Package.

What a mess. Good luck.

Push370zzz · 06-01-2015, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HulaGirl

Thanks for doing the math :-)
Hubby and I are discussing the possible outcomes.
At minimum the tires and the rims
Cash refund
Reporting the fraudulent advertising to State Department of Consumer Affairs and I have a way to get the complaint noticed.

While I personally believe that the way they advertised it was incorrect and misleading, I do hope you realize that you are not completely without fault here. The dealer should have done its due diligence, but they made a fairly easy mistake and I doubt it was deliberate. I would expect them to offer to help you out in some way if they are a reputable dealer because it was their mistake first, but are you entitled to $4000 or $5000 over this? Probably not.

There is a difference between mislabeling a vehicle and painting the calipers and putting a "Sport" badge on it. I hope you get what you want, but do keep yourself grounded in this battle with the dealer. I see a lot of people throwing numbers around on this thread that are just not going to happen.

HulaGirl · 06-01-2015, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Push370zzz

While I personally believe that the way they advertised it was incorrect and misleading, I do hope you realize that you are not completely without fault here. The dealer should have done its due diligence, but they made a fairly easy mistake and I doubt it was deliberate. I would expect them to offer to help you out in some way if they are a reputable dealer because it was their mistake first, but are you entitled to $4000 or $5000 over this? Probably not.

There is a difference between mislabeling a vehicle and painting the calipers and putting a "Sport" badge on it. I hope you get what you want, but do keep yourself grounded in this battle with the dealer. I see a lot of people throwing numbers around on this thread that are just not going to happen.

I completely understand what you are saying and no, I was not expecting $4000-5000.

The general manager made what we considered to be a fair offer for their part of the misrepresentation. We shook hands and I am satisfied with the outcome.

I'm back to an excellent deal for a base that has a rear deck spoiler (that was on the car day of purchase).

05-29-2015, 05:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
HulaGirl Track Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: SoutheastOfDisorder NJ Posts: 883 Drives: 370Z Base Man Pearl Rep Power: 65	Here's just one of the cached pages. Judge for yourself: Used 2015 Nissan 370Z For Sale \| Toms River NJ __________________ ~Hula Girl at Heart~ Rear Deck Spoiler, Splash Guards, AFE filters, Weathertech Liners, Xpel, Calipers in VHT Bright Blue, Clazzio Seatcovers

05-29-2015, 06:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
HulaGirl Track Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: SoutheastOfDisorder NJ Posts: 883 Drives: 370Z Base Man Pearl Rep Power: 65	I've added a lot of excitement to the forum since joining ;-) Seriously, I really appreciate all of your replies. Anyone want to venture a guess on the value of the 19"RAYS forged alloy wheels Y-rated would be worth in comparison to the 18" Black-finish aluminum-alloy wheels Yokohama Advan Sport W-rated tires? Looks like RAYS are about $352.00 __________________ ~Hula Girl at Heart~ Rear Deck Spoiler, Splash Guards, AFE filters, Weathertech Liners, Xpel, Calipers in VHT Bright Blue, Clazzio Seatcovers Last edited by HulaGirl; 05-29-2015 at 06:24 PM.

05-29-2015, 06:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
Zoren 370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: FL Posts: 11,018 Drives: 11 Nissan 370 M6 Rep Power: 1913655	The last time I asked the sports 19 Rays Bnew at a Nissan dealership for a 09 to 12 models its about 4t plus for a set without tires. Used you can buy a set over here at the for sale section 1k for a decent one. But yours is 2015 I would have no idea. Have you already told them about your claim of "Deceitful Advertising"? HulaGirl likes this.

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05-29-2015, 05:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
Zoren 370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: FL Posts: 11,018 Drives: 11 Nissan 370 M6 Rep Power: 1913655	Oh my God cant believe Im reading this. One wonderful deal turned out to be a farce from the dealer. The only thing I can find is you can charge them for the 19's ray wheels. As its the only one listed in the spec. The argument would be is they would say sport which means sports car and not sports package! Definitely they misrepresented the car in the ads. As you have said even for a base Z you still got it lower than the market price. Thats another argument they might use against your claim. But yes I hate to get the one that you didn't like. Update us what the dealer would say when you come back and see them.