FR-S / 370Z / CaymanS
 

love this channel.

Remove the url before the = to post the vid

Weight reduction!

I hate bias videos.

repost?

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...-cayman-s.html

or was this thread here first and that one is the repost? i don't know haha

Is it biased just because the Z didn't come out on top? It's known that the FR-S was engineered specifically for it's incredible driving experience and handling. Accept that our car is a great all-around car, but not the best handling car out there. haha

Interesting, i especially like how he chose the base 370 instead of the touring model which comes with better brakes and an LSD which might of made a slight bit of difference in the cornering. Oh, and i love how he just praises the porche's sound.....well duh, it has a modded exhaust as he mentioned himself! He also mentioned the porche had a Quaife diff; do Porches come with those or was that also an upgrade? So really, between the 370 and Porche, he was comparing base non-modded vs Cayman "S" modded.
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08-15-2012, 07:40 PM post time for me
08-15-2012, 08:02 PM post time for him

but i guess more people go to the general section than here. doesnt matter tons of people got to see it and thats all that matters :)

Seen this one.. still like the Caymans.. :-/

Having just purchased a 2011 Magnetic black Z with sport package I find the video humorous.

All I can say is the Z is a sexier car - the other two are a bit girly

No sport package, no comparison. The LSD and RevMatch significantly change the character of the Z.

Also, 332hp vs 200hp. That gap is much more significant than he gives credit.

doesnt matter too much. driven a 911 (with modded exhaust) and cayman (with stock exhaust), intake by your ear = better sound always

That and tire sizing... The sport model comes with way wider/stickier tires than the base model Z.

I got to drive a GT86 over the weekend. Everything he says is true about it, it handles like a dream and it's a fantastic driver's car, BUT it only has 200hp. Once you get over that initial "I'm in an 86!" excitement, you start to realize that you really miss the extra 130hp from the Z, and the interior sucks. At least that's how I felt.

I'd definitely buy a used GT86 in a few years just to hoon around in at the track.

Its funny even before he drove the other cars he already made his verdict that the Fr-s is the out right winner!

I will probably agree with his verdict with the no. 1 sign using my middle finger!!!:icon23:

I think if you can forgive the car for not being powerful, the 86 would be very satisfying and fun to drive.

I guess in the same way that you can forgive the 370z for not sounding the best, it's awesome to use all that VQ torque and power with the precise handling.

Would the Cayman blow both of these cars out of the water just because it's a Porsche ? ? ? I guess a test-drive would tell. . .

myabe NISSAN should be bribing the media like SUBARU

bias, booooooo....

well that makes me bias as well haha...

Love all 3 of these cars. I think an FR-S/BRZ/GT-86 would be the most FUN on the track. (I've driven a carrera GT2 and my Z on the track already). I can't wait to drive a toyobaru.

I do think this test should have compared a MX-5, 370z base, and FR-S/GT-86 since they are much closer in price.

I also didn't know there were so many Z fanbois out there haha.

dude needs to learn how to drive the z and then compare it to the FRS which imo comes out of the factory as an unstable car.the only fun to be had in the frs is fish tailing it out of the curves ? LMAO.

This is a 370z forum . . .

:iagree::happydance:

something tells me this guy just didn't want to review the 370z. and maybe the Porsche was his... don't know just something doesn't sound right.. hehhe

1) the video is for busters
2) Op your strange mask is very creepy.

:bowrofl:

:nutswinger::icon23:

I think this FRS crap is just hype... It's good and dandy and all that it handles well, but honestly, I don't want a boxer engine, and I just don't think it looks good...
I'm sure there will be or are turbo kits for the car giving it an OK or acceptable 0-60 time... But there is no replacement for displacement... And thank god no one keeps the Z stock, swap the exhaust and intake, and all of a sudden you hear the engine, you hear the exhaust, you freed the horsepower and now you're ready to rumble...


When I first saw the FRS, ew, walked away, second time I was at a dealer looking to buy my dad a car, and what REALLY put me off was the exhaust tips that are doubled... How ghetto is this thing??? And for $25k, I'd buy a base 370Z... Sorry FRS/BRZ fans...
That being said, I'm a sucker for Toyotas, but FRS, get away from me

Honestly, I think people should go, hmmmm FRS, good car, fúckin hell, 370Z, MUCH MUCH FASTER... Better build quality... Better looking IMO... GREAT CAR!!!

They should compare the FRS to the Miata, I'll give you that... But I hate that everyone is over hyping the FRS...

Ummm... This part where you say Touring has the LSD and better breaks... Sorry mate, that's on the Sport model... Touring adds nicer pedals, leather, Bose, homeLink mirror, and I THINK the rear cargo cover, unless that was only for '09...

haha : : : yeah, 370z = much faster, more powerful, looks great. Hard to beat for the money.

* in response to syntax1269: Chris Harris does prefer Porsche: he owns a GT3 RS 4.0, but this Cayman isn't his.

A lot of us on this forum probably prefer the 370z; but, there is a lot of truth coming from his review of these cars.

I keep watching this vid. over and over. . . the Z as an underdog haha

I agree w/ you. . . It doesn't look very good: kind of simple, boring, and cheap; but, why wouldn't you want a boxer engine ? I'm impressed with Subaru's boxer 4 cylinder engines because of their low/flat balance and good fuel economy.

cayman is the better car but way over price!

I put Berks and HFC's on my sport and It sounds as cool as its possible for a car to sound IMHO. That Cayman S has nothing on me!

I also have to say some of the fun of my Z is just spurring my modded 355 horses now and then and feeling the beast eat some road. This video was a pretty biased, but as a Miata owner I do understand that fun factor is hard to quantify.

I thought long and hard about getting a FRS in the end it came down to looks (no comparison), power (different league) and the fact that my 1st ride was a 77 280z and so the 370 feels like family.

I do miss having a back seat though.

SurfDog; yeah, i'd guess it would come down to the same things for most people when choosing b/w FR-S and 370z: looks & power. As far as the Z being an "8/10ths car", do most people even approach 8/10ths on the road most of the time ? ? ?

Was a Cayman not a choice along w/ the Scion and Nissan ?

I would not consider a Porsche for the same reasons I would not wear a Rolex. I hate paying a premium for name recognition, and 20k more is like twice the price of my Z

SEIKO 200m automatic dive watch $200
Rolex submariner $7000 bucks
Functionality. Nearly identical


Is porsche faster? not really

is porsche a better driving experience? Now that I have dynamat, I don't think so. (I drive my buddies cayman occasionally)

Is a porsche a status symbol? Yes. That is why I stay away

As for 8/10s driver. I disagree and so do most reviewers. The consensus among performance drivers is that a 370 is heavy on the controls but very predictable and controlled at the limits. The video reviewer seems to love the Porsche for "refinement".

I'm a simple man who likes simple things that work well. I don't want the illusion of performance (BRZ.) I want to fly around the track trying to keep my boundless power under control in a well balanced, inexpensive to own and repair, exiting car.

In short I think the reviewer would love a Miata too. Especially if he could find one with enough name recognition to cost 40k.

+rep for you sir. Very well said. Hate to off topic- where did you dynamat at? I love the car, but the gravel/rocks kicking up behind me are a little extreme

:tiphat: Thanks! Like most of us, I definately have passion about this stuff.
here is a link (with photos and all) about my soundproofing work:

http://www.the370z.com/audio-video/6...g-journey.html

Good Luck . One of our members can send you a free sample (10 square feet) of GT Mat to get you started.

By far the best comparo post ever on this forum. You are my HERO! Well said!:tup:

Think you may be fooling yourself about track performance between Cayman S and 370z. Cayman S is far better car dynamically than the 370z. However ultimate performance isn't everything. I'm a long time mid engine Porsche guy and while cayman S is far more competent car the driving experience isn't as fun as the Z. Z is car that will scare you occasionally while Cayman is utterly unflappable and to me boring.

Having torn both cayman/Boxster and 370z apart the Porsche is more than just status. There are real engineering differences with decades of race car engineering that make it into Cayman. I'm under no illusion that Z is anything close to Porsche in terms of engineering and over all capability. However Z is a bargin performer that can be tuned to perform similar to fast Porsches, but Z has some fatal flaws it can't overcome. Poor weight distribution and heft that is hard to overcome in a performance car.

Would have loved to put my car in this compare however. Suspect he would have walked away with completely differnt impression of the Z. And sound? :hello:

Hoopa hillclimb 2012 - 370z - YouTube

I'm not a track guru so I'll defer to your judgment. However I think my Rolex/SEIKO argument still holds. Besides I like my car a bit brutal. It's all in fun.

I smile whenever I hit the apex of a turn and begin powering out. That is what matters to me I guess. And yes. THE SOUND!

I'd say its more like Tag Heurer verses a Casio. Rolex would be more like Rolls Royce. Porsche Cayman certainly doesn't reach into true status car in my book. It's truly entry level Porsche. Status car in Porsche mighT Be Panamera turbo or a GT3 RS? cayman really doesn't cut it as status car. Plenty Cayman S can be had for mid 30k used - less than a new 370z. Good luck finding used Rolex for price of a Seiko!

And do we want to have discussion on paint quality? 370z has something akin to kiddie finger paints compared to beautiful paint job on Porsche.

Even on street level of refinement from Porsche is far better than 370z. Technology in PDK, torque vectoring etc is just awesome. Suspension of Porsche is much more compliant than Z too. Heck my 12 year old Boxster had better suspension than current 370z! But still I love retro feel of Z. It's the flaws in the car that make new Z endearing. Perfect cars can be real boring on the street.