Clutch issue!

njobe89 · 01-20-2015, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FairladyZ10PG

^I would if they could find this by end of today....
most likely the chances are slim but will let the mechanic know about this
seems like z1 products come highly recommended

they're a good company here in atlanta(Villa Rica).. i can't speak for everyone, but i have nothing negative to say about them.

Zbrah · 01-20-2015, 11:53 AM

Which shop is working on your car?

FairladyZ10PG · 01-20-2015, 12:28 PM

I'm going to Imperial auto in La Puente

Can anyone confirm if Valeo makes the oem CSC for our cars?

Zbrah · 01-20-2015, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FairladyZ10PG

I'm going to Imperial auto in La Puente

Can anyone confirm if Valeo makes the oem CSC for our cars?

Don't get another oem csc. I've seen ppl reporting having to replace the csc two or three timez because the dealer kept replacing with an oem type each time.

FairladyZ10PG · 01-20-2015, 03:41 PM

^Yes I'm aware of that but I've just decided to go with oem since this shop only works with oem parts.

Changing shops and getting the right parts (at a significantly higher $) and having them shipped over overnight at this time is going to cost too much. (Z is my dd)

I'll just cross my fingers and hope they last another 50k lol
But this time I'm going to check the fluid level constantly to see if they're leaking

Just don't have the time or the funds to do this right

JARblue · 01-20-2015, 03:44 PM

FWIW, a few days in a rental car is much cheaper than the extra $1000 you are going to pay for labor again when the replacement OEM CSC craps out. But I certainly understand when things come up suddenly it can be difficult to come up with the funds on short notice. That was one of the reasons that I replaced my CSC with the Z1 kit before it failed me. The primary reason was I drive out to Middle-of-nowhere, Texas pretty frequently and did not want to get stranded with no cell service and no traffic I could flag down.

FairladyZ10PG · 01-20-2015, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JARblue

FWIW, a few days in a rental car is much cheaper than the extra $1000 you are going to pay for labor again when the replacement OEM CSC craps out. But I certainly understand when things come up suddenly it can be difficult to come up with the funds on short notice.

Understood

kenchan · 01-20-2015, 03:48 PM

id just take my ride to mr.jar's garage and a tractor trailer full of beer

Shutterjock · 01-20-2015, 07:19 PM

Just had mine done for the third time in three years: Master and CSC replaced the first two times and this time the entire hydraulic system with regards to the clutch.

They also went with the GTR fluid which, apparently, holds up better under heat.

I suspect that, while such failures are on their radar, Nissan techs aren't exactly sure what is causing the issue so they replace it all.

I've also read on other forums that most feel the CSC is to blame in which case there is an aftermarket version.

njobe89 · 01-20-2015, 07:48 PM

yea i heard that the gtr fluid is supposed to "fix" it but it really doesn't. just maybe buys a little extra time

FairladyZ10PG · 01-20-2015, 08:41 PM

New but Unrelated update:

Ok, got the car back and it runs as good as new... hope it lasts longer this time

Interesting story: I go to enterprise rent a car to return the ford fiesta that i've been driving since yesterday. As far as I know there were no significant damages to the body of the car so I paid very little attention during the walk around. But when I went to return it, the rep points out 3 dents on top of the roof ( which you can barely see under certain lighting condition). I never checked to see if the ROOF was damaged and the rep who rented me the car never did point out to check the roof. It appears that now I'm responsible for the dents and I have to pay for them to fix it... after arguing about 30 mins and cussing them out at the same time

I realized this is getting nowhere. Long story short, I gave them my insurance info and told them to send me the estimates...

Learn from my mistake and next time you rent a car, check out every little detail and make sure they know about it before you take the car...

tnav · 01-20-2015, 09:25 PM

Agreed. It's also important to check the windshield for cracks, most rentals have scuffs and damage in both bumpers and dings all over

90 ST · 01-20-2015, 11:35 PM

I ALWAYS get jackass insurance, no worries there.

daj349 · 01-21-2015, 12:40 AM

I had the same issue 6 weeks ago. fluid color too. Nissan dealer changed the fluid to gtr fluid at no cost. Nissan put something out to the dealerships about it. no issues since.

batboyvaj · 01-21-2015, 08:07 AM

My theory on why the csc goes out and takes the master with it is this. If you think about a clutch it acts like a brake pad right? There is dust and heat generated when you use the clutch. Some of the dust settles on the transmission shaft and is picked up by the csc when use the clutch. That is why your clutch fluid gets so dark really quick. The dust from the clutch is probably abrasive and damages the seals slowly and this is compounded by the heat.

I'm not sure that any internal csc design will solve this issue. With the elimination kit, the slave is moved externally so it avoids the dust issue. Just my theory.

01-20-2015, 12:28 PM	#3 (permalink)
FairladyZ10PG A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: SoCal-IE Posts: 1,890 Drives: PGraphite m6 Rep Power: 256	I'm going to Imperial auto in La Puente Can anyone confirm if Valeo makes the oem CSC for our cars? __________________ ///MPPSK///M Performance FRONT SPLITTER///M Performance KIDNEY GRILLS///MPerformance CF MIRRORS///MPerformance CF SPOILER///AC SCHNITZER

01-20-2015, 03:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
FairladyZ10PG A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: SoCal-IE Posts: 1,890 Drives: PGraphite m6 Rep Power: 256	^Yes I'm aware of that but I've just decided to go with oem since this shop only works with oem parts. Changing shops and getting the right parts (at a significantly higher $) and having them shipped over overnight at this time is going to cost too much. (Z is my dd) I'll just cross my fingers and hope they last another 50k lol But this time I'm going to check the fluid level constantly to see if they're leaking Just don't have the time or the funds to do this right __________________ ///MPPSK///M Performance FRONT SPLITTER///M Performance KIDNEY GRILLS///MPerformance CF MIRRORS///MPerformance CF SPOILER///AC SCHNITZER

01-20-2015, 03:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 45 Posts: 36,450 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684442	FWIW, a few days in a rental car is much cheaper than the extra $1000 you are going to pay for labor again when the replacement OEM CSC craps out. But I certainly understand when things come up suddenly it can be difficult to come up with the funds on short notice. That was one of the reasons that I replaced my CSC with the Z1 kit before it failed me. The primary reason was I drive out to Middle-of-nowhere, Texas pretty frequently and did not want to get stranded with no cell service and no traffic I could flag down. Zbrah likes this. __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \| Last edited by JARblue; 01-20-2015 at 04:07 PM.

01-20-2015, 03:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141522	id just take my ride to mr.jar's garage and a tractor trailer full of beer JARblue and Fountainhead like this.

01-20-2015, 07:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
Shutterjock Base Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 55 Drives: 370z NISMO (2010) Rep Power: 15	Third times a charm Just had mine done for the third time in three years: Master and CSC replaced the first two times and this time the entire hydraulic system with regards to the clutch. They also went with the GTR fluid which, apparently, holds up better under heat. I suspect that, while such failures are on their radar, Nissan techs aren't exactly sure what is causing the issue so they replace it all. I've also read on other forums that most feel the CSC is to blame in which case there is an aftermarket version. __________________ Shutterjock Z Photographer http://www.shutterjock.com "No Matter Where I Go, There I Am"

01-20-2015, 11:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
Zbrah A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: The370Z.com Posts: 4,956 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 5453	Which shop is working on your car?

01-20-2015, 07:48 PM	#10 (permalink)
njobe89 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2014 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 5,227 Drives: 2013 370z BS 6MT Rep Power: 174286	yea i heard that the gtr fluid is supposed to "fix" it but it really doesn't. just maybe buys a little extra time __________________ 2 plus 2 times 2 = ? ... hint, it's not 8 Stillen CBE, Stillen Gen 3, TP's, Uprev tuned - 324whp/264tq

01-20-2015, 08:41 PM	#11 (permalink)
FairladyZ10PG A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: SoCal-IE Posts: 1,890 Drives: PGraphite m6 Rep Power: 256	New but Unrelated update: Ok, got the car back and it runs as good as new... hope it lasts longer this time Interesting story: I go to enterprise rent a car to return the ford fiesta that i've been driving since yesterday. As far as I know there were no significant damages to the body of the car so I paid very little attention during the walk around. But when I went to return it, the rep points out 3 dents on top of the roof ( which you can barely see under certain lighting condition). I never checked to see if the ROOF was damaged and the rep who rented me the car never did point out to check the roof. It appears that now I'm responsible for the dents and I have to pay for them to fix it... after arguing about 30 mins and cussing them out at the same time I realized this is getting nowhere. Long story short, I gave them my insurance info and told them to send me the estimates... Learn from my mistake and next time you rent a car, check out every little detail and make sure they know about it before you take the car... kenchan likes this. __________________ ///MPPSK///M Performance FRONT SPLITTER///M Performance KIDNEY GRILLS///MPerformance CF MIRRORS///MPerformance CF SPOILER///AC SCHNITZER

01-20-2015, 09:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
tnav Enthusiast Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: SoCal Posts: 316 Drives: 2012 370z Silver 6sp Rep Power: 13	Agreed. It's also important to check the windshield for cracks, most rentals have scuffs and damage in both bumpers and dings all over

01-20-2015, 11:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
90 ST A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: Calgary Posts: 1,861 Drives: 90 and 15 GMC Sierra Rep Power: 423	I ALWAYS get jackass insurance, no worries there.

01-21-2015, 12:40 AM	#14 (permalink)
daj349 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 49 Drives: '12 370Z SprtTour M6 Rep Power: 12	I had the same issue 6 weeks ago. fluid color too. Nissan dealer changed the fluid to gtr fluid at no cost. Nissan put something out to the dealerships about it. no issues since.

01-21-2015, 08:07 AM	#15 (permalink)
batboyvaj Base Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: mn Posts: 111 Drives: 2011 370z Rep Power: 15	My theory on why the csc goes out and takes the master with it is this. If you think about a clutch it acts like a brake pad right? There is dust and heat generated when you use the clutch. Some of the dust settles on the transmission shaft and is picked up by the csc when use the clutch. That is why your clutch fluid gets so dark really quick. The dust from the clutch is probably abrasive and damages the seals slowly and this is compounded by the heat. I'm not sure that any internal csc design will solve this issue. With the elimination kit, the slave is moved externally so it avoids the dust issue. Just my theory.

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