At this point, I would tell the OP he should get the 7AT. He changes his mind between the two on a daily basis. Its obvious he has absolutely zero confidence in himself on learning to drive a standard. Go the safe route then I would say.

What did you decide to go with anyways OP? You should give an update so this pointless thread will finally end.

I read that too. They said it was a great transmission for 2009, but felt it was dated and shifts were a little slow compared to today's autos.

Wait. So the auto 370z is better? Is it true its faster? 1/4 mile times, 0-60 etc.? I always thought getting a sports car it was better to get the manual option.

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This is my whole point: When you aren't arguing performance or feel, but rather social perception of "good/right" "bad/wrong", we're into territory that has nothing to do with cars... True enough, but no one is publicly (and not really in a tongue-in-cheek way) telling anyone they're a huge wuss making an unforgivable mistake for buying the MT. So what you're saying is, people who get publicly lambasted should just deal with it -- after all, what do they expect for openly admitting to such an embarrassingly terrible and unmanly choice?

And clearly people care. A lot. There wouldn't be a new thread every 15 minutes if no one did.

Here's an idea: When someone posts a thread on "which should I get?", the default recommendation could be "Test drive both and choose the one that you prefer" (where have I heard that before?).

Any follow-up response by the OP after "just test drive 'em" is almost certainly going be a plea for social approval... and then we're back to this whole thing.

I'm pretty convinced this issue simply won't die until there just aren't any sports/sporty new cars equipped with three pedals, and then people will look back on this whole debate as quaint and or silly.

On another note, tonight I watched the director's cut of Night Breed -- no CGI, all physical special effects.

Call me old fashioned, but I prefer the old school physical special effects -- even the cheesy ones -- over the modern computer generated ones. They feel visceral and real. Not so polished and plastic. They require real hands-on control and inventiveness and a genuine passion for the art of making special effects come to life. To me, CGI is a relatively cold, and artless process, where a computer interpolates data points from a few specific inputs.

Should I just shut the hell up and be glad Gollum is not a guy in a rubber suit? Am i making a big stink out of something silly, glorifying something antiquated? Does it matter? Are cool movies with neat effects still happening or has the digital revolution ruined these personal expressions of a man and his vision, created with his own hands?

Totally unrelated? Not so much to me. Same fukin' argument, different hat.

There's more to life than 0-60 and quarter mile times. If that's all you're going for you shouldn't be looking into a new Nismo at all. There are way cheaper cars that will be quicker in a straight line. A faster 0-60 doesn't equate to "better" car.

Specs are posted, and generally support marginally better performance for the 7AT.

As to which is "best", test drive both and pick your poison.

That's side stepping the issue.

Admit that a MT hasn't been an essential and critical feature for a "true" sports car for some time now (and certainly not within the past few years for consumer sports cars) and we're done here, seeing eye to eye.

Stick to your guns, and we're back to the "MT only" view is right and the "both are viable" is wrong.

If you can't do that, we'll just agree to disagree, I guess... I'm about exhausted with all this :ugh2:

First, lets get this out of the way... No credibile car magazine has even tested a 2015 nismo with the 6 speed. We don't really know how quick it is compared to the auto. And they changed the gearing this year for the auto and the manual so we can't go off past year nismos either. On top of that, car and driver said they still preferred the manual after testing the auto.

And there are plenty of sports cars that still sell more manuals than autos. I actually believe the Z is one of them. So the manual IS essential for some sports cars and will continue to be so. Those cars which have been taken over by autos certainly haven't been by ones that debuted in 2009..unless they're dual clutch.. which this isn't. And finally, to reiterate, we're talking about 0-60 and quarter mile times only..since that's the only time this auto is supposedly faster..in which case the question has to be raised: why are you shopping a Nismo Z if that's all you care about? That's not side stepping, that's taking the next logical step. The OP needs to get the sand out, be a man, and get the MANual.

When they do test it, if the conclusion is that the AT is faster, I predict you will not change your argument. Likewise, I doubt you'll change your argument when the last of the three pedal traditional manuals vanish. Some people still prefer carburetors over fuel injection -- my beef is that when preference for ANYTHING becomes synonymous with "the right thing to do", we're no longer looking at things rationally or open mindedly.

In short, we'll simply have to agree to disagree, and that's okay by me.

However, hopefully you'll rethink your logic on the interpretation of what it means to use a MANual, otherwise you'll have to start seeing a physician about the inexplicable MENstrual cramps that will likely follow... :icon17:

Oh, and while we're at it, just an FYI that you may not know: the famous Testarossa has nothing to do with testes, like it sounds. It means "red head", a reference to the cam cover on the engine, and, allegedly, also a reference to wild, red headed women, not men. Go figure.

And our car is the "Fairlady", named after the musical, which was popular at the time. A musical about a chick who has to learn to be more graceful and ladylike. Not very manly at all.

Anyway, your line of reasoning has certainly stopped my counterargument in its tracks -- it's like any other faith based system; you can't debate it.

I'm sure your grandkids will find all of these conversations about transmissions being more or less indicative of manhood very confusing as they operate their ultra fast electric cars.

Well, speaking of manly or at least manual tasks, I need to go repair my busted washing machine today... hopefully this endeavor will help offset the emasculating shame of my girly 7AT. According to you, I probably have some sand in my underwear to wash out, so I'd better get to work... :rolleyes: