You're correct in my opinion, my favorite car is the Porsche 911s both the 997 and 991 body now, if I were to get rid of my Z is to get a 997s maybe a 2007-2008 and put some insane warranty so I am not worried about those crazy repairs. At this time I can't drop $50k on the car and add another $5k in warranty and misc stuff, but that is the car.

Porsche 911 is actually the most reliable of the German sports cars, still doing a clutch is an arm and a leg and you have to get the bearing recall done as well on most models.

Leasing is probably the better option for German cars, you drive the hell out of them and enjoy them, 3 years later you get a new one and stick someone else with the problems

German cars = over engineered to be over priced

Nissan = Engineered just enough

I have a 370z and love it, but next to an E92 M3, I would go with the M3 without thinking twice.

^ I seen 2008 911 GT3s for around $80k. That car is tits! Pure track car without any frills, and very fast too. That's like Porsche's version of a FD3s R1/2 or a Ferrari F40. Pure sports.

Porsche over bimmer, hands down!

:iagree: bmws will never have the classic legendary looks of Porsches 911, they all look like tin can boxes with kidney grills to me. My brother has a 2009 4door m3 fast but felt very heavy compared to my z. bmw great performance, styling wise when you look at them :roflpuke2:

Can someone please take pictures of the Automatic pedals?

I almost bought a new 2012 M3 in 2013. I traveled to a dealer that had one in stock & discovered some "deal killer" things I didn't like. I was used to a 535i M Sport and had assumed that the M3 features would have been alike.
The "keyless" entry and ignition was only semi "keyless", you had to plug the fob into the dash before you push the start button.
The seats were narrow and hard, not something I'd like to take on a long trip. The leather was of a lower quality than the 535 too.
The turbo lag was the worst I even felt. The salesman agreed and said that was not normal and they would "fix" it.
Now I really dislike BMW's I-Drive system on the 535 because it is complicated menu driven with sub-menus, sub-sub menus, and more. To use it safely, you need to stop. The M3 was less complicated due to less features but it still took your eyes off the road for too long. The pre-set buttons under the radio are not just for the radio, they're programmable via the I-Drive system to perform any function you want from calling home on the cell phone to finding genre specific music.
The navigation unit was on par with units of several years ago. Not even touch screen.
That said, earlier this year I looked at the new 435i and liked it much better. The last I heard the M4 should be out soon. That would get my vote.

It already came out, I met a guy with one at a car show a few weeks back it was sick. But I'd probably get a used GTR over it

seen the 435 on the road since early summer... not bad still prefer the 335 over it.

still like the m3 over the m4 but i was lucky enough to see both an m4 and m5 side by side on the road. They're not bad but i still would get a c63 over either... then again if someone handed me the keys for free i wouldn't say no!

there is a picture of one in this thread :bowrofl:

theres a fella in town here who has one of the light blue m4s, dont like the color but it is a beautiful car. havent seen him at any of the meets yet. i believe he ordered it and drove it off the lot the first week they were available. i had an e36 m3 for a couple years, and i never had any money for mods because it was all spent on repairs! and this was a well maintained vehicle.

Uh... the E92 M3 is a 4.0L N/A V8?

Turbo lag was probably due to low blinker fluid. Would not buy.

You would be correct about the engine. I assumed it was turbo & the salesman didn't know any better either. Didn't BMW change the M3 to a turbo inline 6 later?

Nah the 335 is turbo inline 6, the m3 is a small block v8. the new m4 however is twin turbo 6 cy. Probably has more tuning options than the M3
but I've seen a few guys put a supercharger on their m3s and they were really quick.