That's why I am saving. Rather buy the car worthy of driving then suffice for crap. Can't wait until I buy my Z. About to pay off the Fj this month.

I just don't get all the buzz around the frs/brz. I drove one before I bought the Z. Sure it handles OK, but it desperately needs a turbo. Those things would get boring quick. I guess they compete with V6 Mustangs? Frs dominating a Z... :gtfo2:

We're talking base prices here and whether Nissan decides to offer multiple engine options. Remember the Sentra NISMO? Maybe they can ditch that and focus on the rear wheel drive IDX instead of dumping 280HP to the front wheels of the Sentra. Okay, maybe $10k is too far down. Anyhow, I'd envision the IDX getting turbo engines from the Juke. The Juke curb weight is under 3000 lbs, so the IDX needs to aim close to FRS figures of about 2800 lbs. I also envision the new Z to get a 2.0L turbo 4cy option powering the Q50, but it may also retain the V6 engine as well. It should easily beat the 3,574 lbs minimum curb weight of the Q50. I'm not exactly sure about the hybrid options, but I've read Nissan is already offering it on some cars like the Pathfinder. There's no way we can trickle down hybrid techs from flagship cars. Plus I don't know what people would think of a 400 HP turbocharged 3cy either haha.

I'm not so sure about the GT-R especially if Nissan decides to opt for a hybrid powertain as Porsche, BMW, and Honda/Acura are doing.

IDX
Motor: Turbo 4cy 1.2L at 113 hp; Turbo 4cy 1.6 at 200 hp;
Curb Weight: < 2900 lbs
MPG: 33+ MPG
Base Price: $20k

Z35
Motor: N/A V6 3.7L at 332-350 hp; Turbo 4cy 2.0L at 280-355 hp;
Curb Weight: < 3300 lbs
MPG: 28+ MPG;
Base Price: $27k

GT-R
Motor: Turbo 3cy 1.5L Hybrid at 450-550 hp; Turbo V6 3.0L Hybrid at 500-800 hp
Curb Weight: < 3500 lbs
MPG: 70+ MPGe
Base Price: $80-95k

I'd say the money spent on buying a brand new FRS/BRZ would get boring quick... ugh.

As a RWD budget sports car. It would make no sense to make a 113hp car. Between 190hp - 220hp and 2900lbs should be standard. The Nismo version of that should be 250hp and weigh 2,800 lbs.
The Z needs a curb weight of 3,100 lbs max to give it a 240'ish feel. And a 3,000lb Nismo would be nice but I doubt it. I think that's wishful thinking. Finally the Z Hp minimum should be 350hp and 370hp NISMO. I'm hoping for 400HP AND 420HP NISMO. That may be wishful thinking as well? But that would make the most successful Z.

The GT-R RIGHT now is over 3,800 lbs, so we'll be fortunate if we make 3,600lbs on the next.gen.

Gonna have to agree. My old Toyota Yaris had 106 horsepower and 103 torque. It was an economy hatchback.

I'm going to disagree. The 1.2L turbo engine that is going to be offered with the 2015 Juke makes a decent amount of torque (140 lb-ft) with MPG is in the upper 40s. It doesn't sound like much, but reviews are positive with the Juke. I can only imagine how much more nimble and fun to drive the IDX would be if this engine was offered up as a base with hopefully a similar base price point of under $20k. I'm sure 1.6L turbo option with about 200 hp is a definite plus if they want to call it a NISMO (like the Juke).

The sky isn't falling.

They aren't going to build a FR-S fighter out of the Z and they aren't going to build a V8 Z either.

Expect something like the current gen, maybe 50 kg or so lighter with either a DI VQ or possibly a turbo 4 option. Designwise, I suspect the latest iteration of the Nismo Z offers some clues -- sleeker but prettier and with new amenities options. THAT, technically, would be a idx/Z combo. There's no need to have too much re-imagined Datsun 510 DNA in the design...

A lighter Z that offers major performance for a reasonable price is still the gameplan -- not a significantly slower cone dodger OR new overmuscled Jaguar coupe fighter. That prediction is consistent with everything anyone from Nissan has said -- including the latest commentary.

There's also a new Mx-5 that was just revealed -- maybe that will go head to head with the FR-S, but not the Z.

I predict it will continue to be a bit pricier than the FR-S with a lot much punch and a bit pricier than the pony car line up with a bit nicer finish.

Right now, everybody on board for a new Z has the current one -- they aren't going to radically change the formula. It's easier to nudge down the price and nudge up the power than reinvent the wheel.

The BRZ is on its way out and the FR-S is going to desperately need a refresh -- it is NOT on anyone's radar. Excitement over the twins (soon to be a solo act) is still Scion hype. I have yet to find one FR-S driver who doesn't lament its lack of torque. Another iteration like that, it will disappear.

The FR-S is basically the rebirth of the Celica -- and as much as I adore the Celica (having owned THREE of them), it is not anything the Z has ever had to compete with. They refelct totally different classes and pricepoints. All I (or anyone else on here should) care about as far as Toymoco is the possibility of that Supra making it to production. THAT could be a game changer for the Z (or maybe the GT-R?), but the FR-S is not.