You know what my dude? You're absolutely right. Not only that... There are more Z owning Z haters in our forum than any other brand. Most Z owners really don't understand what they bought. Most are wishing they'd cram the 5.0 s into the chassis or they wish the car was a Porsche, or wish is there a car can beat a ZL1 and never really understand that they bought a naturally aspirated v6 that in reality is faster & more powerful than any other naturally aspirated v6 out there. its a v6 that runs like a mid pack V8 and members still are not satisfied.

I want a turbo six not because the VQ is not a great engine. it's only because tuning a naturally aspirated engine is very very expensive. That's not Nissan's fault, that's the fault of the aftermarket and the commercialization of the tuning hobby. A turbo engine will drive the cost of mods n tune down in terms of price per horsepower

Oh well. It's a forum, I guess?

I don't think it's right to call everyone who owns a sports car who's not a track junkie a poseur unless they talk like it. It's completely fine to buy a sports car and DD it if that's what you want to do as long as you don't act like you know a ton about cars and driving. I ma no car expert and have only been tot he track twice and done a few canyon runs and mostly DD'ed my Z. I don't think I am a poseur though, since I never claimed to know a lot or be an expert driver. I know a great driver in a miata can whip a poor driver in a Z around the track and a likewise with a Z and vette. Sure, I would liek more power, but you always want more and I still love my Z and don't complain about 5.0s being or vettes being faster (numbers-wise). Anyhow, just saying not all guys mainly DD'ing their Zs are poseurs (unless they talk and drive like douches and think they're faster than anything around, then they are)

Love my new C7. :driving::happydance:

Can you marry me?

But first...

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Why are all the new vette owners still here?


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Wondering that too.

I think it goes back to "little **** syndrome":stirthepot:

Bravo. I couldn't agree more.

I'm also somewhat disappointed at the lack of love for the Z body design. Speed is not the only thing that makes a great sports car, and the Z is absolutely beautiful. She's got curves in all the right places. :yum:

if i switch to a vette i'll still be here.

a. i'm not 65 yet to be on vette forums.
b. i'm dont like rich kid douches who got their car from daddy on those forums
c. i love you all too much to ever leave you.

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How is this thread still going?:confused:

Only through a special blend of love, magic, hate, and science!!!

I come back because I like this forum and I still think the Z is a great car. No hate here. Fit and finish of the Z I had was top notch, very well put together. Some good folks on here and I like to keep up on what Nissan might be coming out with down the road. Other sub-forums are great too, especially the detailing forum and the Junkman. It irks me on other forums when people make fun of the Z, call it a Datsun ricer car and all that jazz just to downgrade it. They especially hate it for the door handles but really that is just a small point IMHO. I agree, speed is not everything. I'm a true car guy, hell I even like Miata's, S2000's all the way to Challengers, Mustangs, you name it I can appreciate it for what it is and the connection it has to people for various reasons.:tiphat:

Ok. I will let you stay here. Lol

Like dat a$$.....

No car comes stock as wide as the Z :tup:

I'm not on Corvette Forums. I'm on the specific Stingray Forum. ;)

Stingray Corvette TSB/Recalls

Again minor/moderate issues but not going to get one until it's all fixed. Again I'm not out to bag the Vette, I still want one since I'm still itching for another drive since Road America. :)

if the next gen Z falls through i think i may be going C7 :stirthepot:

I won't consider the C7 till 2017 model year. I am strongly considering the vette Z06 in the future though. I'm often thinking of making the ultimate sacrifice and going into the $100,000-$150,000 market?? I've never been there as an owner, always stayed under $50,000. But I'm looking for an extremely raw experience. I will only do this if the Z is a FAIL as well?
I've driven cars in the upmarket range. Maybe it may be kewl to own one now? But it's a lot of cash to give up on one ride. We'll see?

^ why not you only live life once why not shoot for the best and be done with it. Im with you in those price range.

I am Ford man, always was, j/k talking non-sense here ... all kidding aside, the Z is an awesome car and the next Z will be great as well as the one after. I don't think there is anything near that for the money.

I have to say, I absolutely hate Nissan dealerships, they are garbage, they are stupid, and they are ignorant, from sales to service, all to me is garbage. I wish the Z was sold as an Infiniti, the difference between the two is huge. Bottom line is I absolutely love the car and I guess I will sacrifice the stupid crap I don't like just to keep driving my Z, it's a bad a-s-s car any way you look at it.

Now if I were spending well over $50-60-70-80k I would be getting a Porsche 911 S, hands down the best car. In fact, my next car will hopefully be a Porsche 997S, put a good warranty and call it a day. Porsches do not depreciate much if at all, try trading in your 1-year old Vette and see what they give you.

for 70k just give me an Alfa romeo 4C and leave me be :)

^ I like that too...but for its price I would probably stick with the Z.

Love the 4c but 10k more and your in supercar territory in speed with the 2015 z06 and get a manual to boot :)

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That's ok. The z06 is beyond impressive, however I'd still be happy in my 4C. I'd respectfully decline the 10k z06 option:tiphat:

I love corvettes but chevy already issued two seperate recalls against the C7. Too much money being spent just to turn back in to the dealership imo.

i'm right there with you. the Z has been my most expensive car purchase to date since i got it basically brand new sortly after release with 1200 or 1500 miles cant remember.

but yes if the next gen Z falls through or they massively fail with the re-design i'll end up going the C7 route. i priced out a Z06 and the rough estimate for me was 95K with 2LT pack, Z07 pack, Nav upgrade, etc... obviously i'm not able to that now based on purchasing a house very soon but in 2 years that 95k just went to 75k and i'm cool with that lol plus the dealer license helps out with getting very nice deals at auctions :tiphat:

2? try 22 lol

One thing to also consider is what other car can you get carbon ceramic disc brakes for under 100 grand? even the new m3/4 have the option but its well over the price of the Z06 and Z28... Chevy does have that catagory covered pretty good. My first autox instructor had them on his 2011 Z06 and they took the wind out of you.

I'm with you brother! Not dinging the vette, it definitely wins the bang for buck performance, but I'm just not a fan. For $70k and some change I'll pick up an Evora S 6MT. I'm really wanting one to replace the Z, been looking at a few pre-owned ones recently.

Since we're on the topic of costs, I thought I'd just randomly rant something...

Not sure how taxes work for others here, but in my state of Virginia, we have to pay a yearly property tax for cars. The minimum amount is 4% of the car's value (based off KBB) -- some cities add an extra 0.1 to 0.3 for skimming revenue.

There's a relief of sorts which lowers the tax, but it's a complicated calculation based off your income, the car's value, it's gas demand, etc. Needless to say, what I make and the C7 won't get a tax break... so basically I'd pay at least $3000 a year on taxes just owning it.

So that's a major reason why I stay under the $50K line. I could own a GT-R or six figure monster, but I'm literally throwing away money because of the vehicle property tax. I just can't get myself to do that.

wow, that sucks. I thought California had all the worst tax situations

That's not the half of it. We've also got yearly DMV fee's and there's several toll roads.

What really irks people is how the roads around Hampton Roads are in poor condition and/or suffering traffic to repair them. On top of that, we've got one of the worst rush hour tunnel systems on the east coast (HRBT). There's always rumors or negotiations to build a third tunnel or expand the HRBT, but something always derails it. Usually money.

We pay a lot of taxes for the road system, but I tend to wonder where it all goes. We should have smooth gold plated highways at the amount they drain from us.

I suppose it's not all bad though... our gas tax is low. Lots of people from NC on the border get their tanks filled in VA.

dont forget all the normal traffic infractions that are now felonies there. what 15 mph over is a felony now? it's some BS.

always sucks when going to visit my cousin and family in VA.

22? There have been 3 total TSB's I've had to pull Corvettes off the lot to complete.

Oh God... how could I forget? Yea... 15 over is reckless driving in VA.

The rate is $6 per MHP over, plus an extra $60 processing fee. Cops like to set up traps where the speed limit changes from 45 to 35 for a 1 mile stretch because of area housing or an arching bridge/road. That's an easy $120 ticket for anyone not paying attention (and much more for those going faster).

We also have those traffic cams that take pictures of cars running red lights or make a right turn without coming to a full stop. I think that's a $45 fine (haven't got one of those yet). I understand that running reds is bad, but there's evidence the cameras don't stop accident rates because of it increases the number of rear enders when people slam the breaks to stop on a sudden yellow.

Yea for awhile i thought PA sucked with all the vehicle laws and whatnot but VA gets shafted bad lol

we pay regualr tax when purchasing a car, i think like $36 a year for registration, and $45 or 50 i cant remember for inspection and emissions.

not bad compared to you guys lol

I'm drooling over the 2015 AMG GT-S. It probably won't be ZO7 fast, but it's such a quality luxurious vehicle and perfectly crafted. The 503hp 4.4litre bi-turbo v8 is nothing to sneeze at.
I'm also sitting tight for the R-36 GT-R. Owning Godzilla has always been a dream.
Finally, there's the Porsche 911 GT-3 and rumors of a GT-3RS Turbo? All these cars are the objects of my affection. :-). Itsvgoing to be hard picking one over the other!
That's why if the next gen Z is good. My life is simplified. I personally dont think there's a better car under $45,000. I'd just mod the hell out of it. Looking forward to better torque numbers in the next gen Z. That's what the Z34 needed more of. If it was rated at 332hp/312lbs tq. The VQ37VHR would have been perfect.

That's a lot of torque coming out of a NA V6... The Z would've definitely been snapping passenger heads back lol!

You can get to hat trq level with bolt-ons though. 312 trq with 15% drivetrain loss is 265 wtrq which is about what I have with bolt-ons.