Toyota back in the game with new " z killer?
 

According to ride lust and edmunds.com.

Toyota WILL be producing a RWD CELICA GT AND GT-4.
These cars will be 2+2 coupe and 3door hatch config.

The N/A GT will get a 2.0ltr 220 hp engine with a weight of 2,866lbs.
The GT-4 will be a turbo or twin turbo of the same engine pushing 300-320hp and possibly an 8,000rpm redline. This car will be under under 3klbs as well.
TT just changes the high end torque loss issue n this car might be a beast?
To make it hurt even more... photos look like it will be a quality ride starting under $20k
Looks like even the genesis coupe is gonna need a refresh soon or its bargain potential will fall thru the floor...
Lastly, toyota back in the day had a rep for true sports cars in 2+2 form.
It might come to the u.s.a. as a toyota or subaru or both but it looks like it may be coming for sure.
What u guys think? Comp for the Z or no?

Not unless they can actually do it.
There has been talk about this lightweight, quick (200-250HP) car from Toyota/Subaru for awhile now. I heard at one point it was not going to happen and then a few months later it was online still.

So, if I'm reading correctly, it'll be a 4-banger, right? One NA, the other TT? I have nothing against 4-cyl. cars per se. But if it wants to be seen as direct competition for the Z, I think they need a 6. Otherwise it'll be considered to be in a different class. Take the STi for example. I think it's even quicker than the Z, right? But I think most people consider the STi and Z to be in different genres, if that makes any sense.

http://www.the370z.com/other-vehicle...buru-ae86.html

This has been discussed for 3 years now.

Its either the new AE86, Supra or Celica.

It will be under 3000lbs, and most likely reach the US shores in a 200-220hp model under the Subaru badge.

Pure speculation and rumors at best at this time.So the Toyota killer is only a dream!
The killer right now is the Z!

I would buy the GT4 variant in a heart beat - not going to be the same as a Z but hey... its like a Subie and a Nissan had a baby and called it a toyota

Toyota Subaru Celica — Autoblog

The mythical FT-HS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_FT-HS
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An old rendering of the "new" GT4
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I'm not worried about any car that's out or that comes out. I'm on the road a lot, and let me tell you there is nothing that competes with a 370 driven by a "good driver". I almost feel bad for all these cars that are supposed be formidable and they consistently get spanked on.

sorry but tt under 20 grand aint gonna happen...

Enjoy,, Yes thats a Supra engine in it,, Thats my boys car from JC Customs at HIN New Hampshire

Sorry, even with a TT setup, a 370z would best a TT car that has similar paper-numbers.

Meaning the torque curve on the Z would best the spin-up turbo power...

Even the cobalt SS is 21-22K in a desperate market. And that's a I4 Single Turbo FWD.

is that brand new?

Coming from the 08 Audi TT 2.0T which is a 4 cyl single turbo under 3K lbs and with a chip I was doing 0 60 in 5.5. Audi now has the TTS 4 cyl 2.0T with a slightly bigger turbo that does 4.9 stock and about 4.5 chipped. Now they have the TTRS which is a 5 cyl turbo that does 4.5 stock and less when chipped. So a 4 banger can hang when done right. But not for less than 40K for Audi. I loved my Audi but I love the new Z too. I went with the Z this time cuz I already had 2 Audi TTs and wanted something different and Ive always loved the Z, just waited till they inproved the interior before I got one. Love the exhasut note on the Z compared to the TT too.

why not just 400zx tt or a 10's supra darn even rx9 tt whould kick ***

:iagree: They talk a lot, if they rely want to get back into the game they should do it. But they should be better looking than the older celicas. I never liked how they looked.

A 370Z will run away from an STi/Evo. The only reason they seem quick on paper is because of their launching ability, and that only applies if you do not care for the car. Once they are out of first-gear, they are not impressive, and actually quite slow after 100 MPH.

and i dont think they can pull it off for under 20 grand either...maybe 25-28...

Ya the STI is a rally car the Z is a sports car.

I would trade in my 370Z for the 2011 Supra when it hits our shores. Beautiful, Fast & Green.


2011 Toyota Supra to get 400-hp via 3.5L V6 mated to a hybrid system - egmCarTech

Anyone else think that looks like a widebody ISF coupe?

I think your right about that.

First of all competition is good for all of us. I am looking forward to seeing some worthy opponents. At this point they also need to get their reputation back. They won't do it just by putting a car out there with 300+hp under 30k. It also has to prove worthy. They do not get unearned respect from me just because they build supra 10 years ago. They didn't import a single worthy sports car in 10 years. Their Lexus brand is barely desireable to sports car fanatics. Toyota needs to come back but these days automakers seem to get undeserved respect/attention with a canvas and a brush.

Not the tt is under 20k that's the na. The tt price wasn't discussed.
Nobody thought hyundai would make 306 horses for 25k n so many features.
But they did.

The Hyundai doesnt have the good engine mechanics (not the human kind) that a Toyota has. I think they will be very hard pressed to do that car under 30K and keep thier standards of mechanics in the verhicle. If they do it under that then it will not last as long as their other cars do.

I totally agrree with u. I got my Z on order but I'm like hey. I wanna chill with genesis coupe owners n toyota enthusiasts, G owners, mitsu n subie fantatikz.
I wanna build with these people. Hang wit em. N race for a friendly G note here and there.
Its all luv. No matter what we drive... we do it 4 the same reason. The luv, the sport n the rush.
I wanna see toyota back in action. I wanna see them doin thingz on the track.
Imagine going to the track n everyone owned a Z. Lol how boring!
N face it. The Z isn't gonna win every race. Even if u think u have a better car? U might not be the better driver? Racing is 50% skill n 50% ballz. No matter what car u in. U gotta respect da skill of a driver n whatever car he used to wh1p a$$!:iagree:.

the genesis has also shown to have a glass tranny, if I find the article online i'll post it. Booo Hyundai!

Call me crazy but I don't consider Genesis quite in the same class as Z. Nissans VQ engine has been on Wards top 10 engines for 14 years in a row. The first Hyundai engine that made it this year "Hyundai Motor Co. Ltd.: 4.6L DOHC V-8 (Genesis)" - sedan version, removing the VQ from the list. This tells me they are getting there but not quite there. Engine is just one example, everything else can be measured by similar means.

Yeah, that's what I was quoted when I called around back a good 6-8 months ago (maybe longer...), before GM's bailout, but after sales were headed to the crapper.

400zxtt man

Are you talking about the 2.0T, the 3.8 or the sedan's engine regarding similar in class? The 3.8 was cross shopped a lot against the Z.


And isn't the 2.0T a detuned 4B11?

Same Engine as new Lancer Ralliart/Evo X?? - RWDCoupe.com - Hyundai Genesis Coupe Owners Club

Not sure where u gettin ur info from but hyundai right now has powerplants that either rival or exceed honda and toyota. That genesis coupe 4b11 copy isn't the best in its line up but the 3.8 lambda II is a very solid engine. Right now the genesis coupe only weaknesses is too many hard materials and some poor engine programming.
Profits from 2010 should cover either a 2011-2012 update of some of there crappy 1st year programming. I wouldn't even doubt if u see DRM ON THE HYUNDAI.
And as far as doing what they do for under 30k n not succeeding the long haul.
Then u would have to say that about nissan. At a 30k intro, carbon fiber shafts n parts are very expensive r&d to put in a car like this. Now add an almost brand new engine, brand new high tech 7spd tranny at only 1,300 Plus dissect that sports package n ask yourself how r they giving u so much for 3k? Corvette doesn't get this type of technology in there cars till u hit 56k. U r getting 80% porsche tech at half the cost.

I don't see why hyundai can't do what they are doing at only a third less than the G37.
Besides if u look at it. Hyundai has a lot of the best tech in the car. But its kinnda outdated 2. But still, its the best of last gen tech at a low price. U gotta give them props though for having the most modern brembo brake system of any car up 2 60k. You will see bigger brake versions of that system on next years exotics. But hyundai had it 1st at a super cheap cost courtesy of good faith bizness with brembo.
Give hyundai 2 or 3 years... u r going to be totally shocked at what's coming.

i think they should just keep making good TVs and cell phones forget about car market

Hyundai doesn't make tv's n cell phones. That's daewoo. A whole different company.
Daewoo makes everything from cars to guns to microwaves.

Hyundai are heavy in the machining business and ship building, truck n trailer making and construction architecture etc... if you don't know what you are talking about? Why even speak?

Have u even driven the hyundai?
I drove both 3.8 gt and track models and these cars are awesome. I opted for the Z on the strength of a superior tranny. The genesis is a hell of a car for a year 1 auto. Remember the Z has 40yrs so it will be superior. But this is the best u can get for a 1st time out coupe.
Ur just to ignorant to understand that though

i remember my dad having the same conversations when he had his 510 datsun. H wold get craped on about his POS car. lol. look where nissan is now. Hyundia will not be far behind. they are getting better. and will be a top make some day.

And so does mitsubishi and yamaha...and they do alright. Honda makes lawn mower engines and generators.

It (on the surface) appears to be an Asian-theme where a company makes a number of products across a wide range. Kind of like a "brand you can trust for everything" approach. Also gives them survivability when one market slows.

Exactly... which is common practice in a socialized govt.
These are govt funded corporations with several subcompanies under the same name.
I guess bmw should hav stuck to making tools?
Or saab making planes
Think of all the gun companies that were doing something else.
Or all the toys that were invented thru true scientific experiments.
That was just a dumb comment made by that guy

i guess you didnt get my point of what i was saying,
or i didnt make it more obvious..

hmm..the koreans should just stay with making good tv's cell phones and all other stuff besides car market...:tiphat:

^^^^^why?

just a straight commont, didnt want a dictionary answer, but hey
i dont mind, seems like a little off topic now
lets move on