Agreed, a bit like Audi and the "S" line or BMW and their "M" tek bodykits. It makes them money no doubt.

I don't see why so many people are holding Nissan to a quality that rarely exist in any car lineage. Car companies take builds and apply them to every car if they figure out they can rape people at sales with a classier tittle. Toyota has TRD edition. If Toyota had a model and they want to make more money from it they slap TRD on it and bump the price on it 10k. That's just the way the car world works.

My issue is, why are people buying Nismos to impress people or why do people feel that need in general. It was stared in this thread that you have to say "Z when you say you own a Nismo so people know you have a nice car." To me that is just ignorant. I buy cars because they impress ME. I mod them to impress ME.

Maybe I'm weird. I don't know.

When people ask me what car I drive I merely say Nissan.

It shouldn't matter to most of y'all. A high percentage here modify their cars and most look better than a stock Z or Nismo. The average person is just going to see the regular cars as nice and your car as "Damn, THAT'S a nice car."

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I don't get why we worry about these types of things. Let Nissan do their thing and let the market decide their fate. Who cares about Nismo being branded down the line? It does not cheapen it, in fact it give it more brand recognition led by the Z and the flagship GTR. Most of you guys don't even have a Nismo so why would you make an issue out of it? Also, let's not go crazy comparing Nismo with the M's or the S'. Apples and oranges in my opinion. Underneath the red lines, slight suspension changes, and tuning differences, it is not far from the car it is derived from. It is well documented that Nismo's are not far off performance-wise. Different on the eyes, yes but from a performance standpoint, not really. Same could be said with the GTR Nismo. Not much faster than the next one below it. I'd say just chill and let it roll.

In the end, no one is right or wrong. It's a matter a personal tastes. We could argue endlessly on what is hot or not. If I think a car looks terrible and somebody else think it's great, we are both right from our personal perspective. The most important of all in this case is RESPECT :)

Well said. Nismo, in my eyes, is a marketing gimmick given its performance and content ratio compared to a Sport package Z. Once they start playing in the M league (ie. Completely differentiating from the other models) I will pay more attention.

As a side note, anyone ever notice that Nismo owners never refer to their cars as a 'Z'? It's always a 'Nismo'. Cracks me up.

So, more hp, different exhaust, different pipes, different wheels, different suspension, more chassis bracing, different body kit, different interior, all of which is unique to the label, just amounts to a marketing gimmick.

Ok.

Maybe the idea is expand the Nismo package just by putting one foot in the water instead of jumping in. Offer cosmetic and slight performance upgrades and if all goes well the entire Nismo line benefits with more in-house customization options.

I don't know a lot about BMW but when I was looking to possibly get a 335i coupe or M3 just looking at in house options in BMWs catalog I was impressed.

If you think such a minor upgrade over the base/sport is truly not a bit of a gimmick, you're fooling yourself.

Also "different" != "better"

Yes. Visually its different. Performance wise, don't fool yourself, it's well documented that a Nismo has a hard time outperforming a Sport package Z despite it's stiffer suspension, chassis bracing, wider wheels, and bump in hp. A BMW M4 is quite different than a 435i in performance and visual depts. A Nismo Z's performance is, not very different at all.

To each his own. For essentially the same performance and price (of a pre 2015 Nismo Z), I'd rather a nicer interior vs the in your face body kit/wing. The Nismo, however, does have some very nice wheels.

I agree.
The Nismo has more hp but also weighs more so it's a wash. There is no interior upgrade besides a different color stitch and Nismo embroidered on the seat.
The exhaust weighs more and sounds like a vacuum.
The wheels are really nice

Having owned a Nismo and a regular 350z. I wouldn't spend the extra money on a Nismo unless they do it right and make it stand far apart from the sport pack.

The Nismo is great I'm not trying to knock it but the extra 10k I paid I learned later was a very big waste of money to me.

I like the Nismo concept and I really hope Nissan invests in it and turns it into something more like the M series. Same with the Lexus F-sport. There's no real 'performance' marque within the Japanese brands

I wasn't arguing about performance differences between trimlines. And comparing a Nismo to M cars is not fair. Nissan has never misled anyone about their intentions with Nismo vehicles in its lineup. They even have press releases explaining what they are trying to accomplish. It does exactly what it supposed to do.

But to say a Nismo is just an expensive sport smacks of jealousy.

As evidenced by this site, many Z owners take expensive steps to make their cars different from the rest. Whether that is a bumper change, intakes, sways, or whatever it is mostly celebrated even with "little gain". Putting a "50th anniversary badge and some stickers" on a car is a gimmick. Totaling up all that a Nismo gives actually makes it a bargain by comparison. Celebrate it.

Im just disappointed that Nissan said it would be available in July. They have one more week and no one knows when they will have stock, im going to just get a Mercedes CLA instead, I care less about hp anymore. Im more for looks and if it pleases me.

Far from it. If I wanted a Nismo, I would've gotten one. Would've been cheaper too as the dealer was discounting them more than the Z I bought.

To believe the Nismo is something more than a $10k appearance package with little to no performance gains 'smacks of denial'

Sorry for taking this off track, I don't want to bicker about Nismo Z vs Sport 370z as that's been done ten fold and we all have our opinions. Back on topic about the 2015 Nismo Z :tup:

Lets talk reality here...

I paid 5k over a base + sport for my brand new nismo.

True, I shouldnt go by msrp. Either way sounds like you got a good deal! :tup:

I'm curious to see how the new Nismo with Nav prices out.

What did you pay? I am curious on lowest bought nismo prices

A Nismo looks different, sounds different, and drives different.

37.5k basically whatever invoice was at the time. So Invoice + TTL.

What flavor is that Kool-aid?

Lowest I've heard is 36.5, I wonder how hard you have to try for that

Haha!

But all true.

Your choice of words is puzzling. Who cares if the NISMO drives "different"? All I care about is the cost/benefit analysis. And all numbers point towards the NISMO being a minute increase (and in some ways, decrease) in performance over a basic base/sport Z.

This is an old argument, and has been run into the ground. We all know the NISMO is basically on par w/ the base/sport. So what does it matter if it drives "different"?

They should offer a true racing Nismo model maybe call it an RS with focus on reducing weight and track performance. . Then gave the tech pack one that is like a touring with navigation and leather race seats.

Maybe it's just me but the Nismo should be the lightest model. Not heaviest.

Here's where the NISMO line is going and IMHO, a complete joke. It'll get worse before it gets better. Nissan has this goal of gaining 10% of the world market and are pretty much going to sell-out whatever they can just to sell cars at the cheapest CPU. Someone will get fired before the Nismo line is not a joke.

http://www.the370z.com/members/falco...smo-front2.jpg

Looks like a Honda FIT

I wonder if all these other models will continue to have Nismo versions going forward, or if this is just a big "everyone gets a Nismo!" type event because it's Nismo's 30th anniversary.

They need to throw a turbo on all of the smaller Nismo models to compete with the Ford ST cars. If I were in the market for such a car, I would probably opt for Nissan over Ford.

This is the way I see it...You could save money on buying a base or Sports/Touring Package and spend that extra money modding the Z the way you want with new Intakes, Exhaust, Suspension, Bumpers, Side Skirts, Fenders, Ground Kits Etc....You could even buy a base and convert it to a Nismo but at the end of the day it will never be a NISMO or outdo a Nismo...Its almost like buying a base model Civic Hatch or Integra and converting it to a Type R....At the end of the day it will never be a True Type R. The bottom line is that the Nismo is in a totally different class all by itself no matter how you look at it...It's factory made directly from Nissan giving it that true authenticity

The Nismo IMHO is for the true enthusiast who wants to have a NISMO.

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:facepalm:

The Kool-aid flows strong in this one!

All of the 370's are built in Japan and imported over, btw. But I'm sure you knew that.

He's got one point right, it'll never be a Nismo! Not much of a loss. :tup:

I'd drive one of these as my DD if the price was right (I'm sure it won't be)
http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/adam...concept-la.jpg

i rented the new sentra in toronto a couple of weeks back on a biz trip.
honestly it wasn't bad! :tup:

it drove like a much larger car, was stable on the expressway too... drove it through
sunny to raining frikken cats and dogs and taffyapples that day. :ugh: car did well.

only thing i didnt like was that it was one of the cheaper trims so limited accessories.
but it's a rental so cant ask for much. and cvt sucksarse. :mad:

I'll accept that my car will never be a Nismo, because it lacks the official number plate, but please define "outdo." Because anyone here with an exhaust, HFCs, and tune is probably already outdoing a Nismo, by my standards.

yah, im an ethusiast that never really cared for the nismo's shape.
if having a nismo is that special to you, that's great. but this thing about
'true authenticity' status is really just in your head.

there are parts out there that will easily make a base better than a factory built car.
that you must accept.

Amen brother!!!:tup: