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Jordo! 05-21-2014 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Running4Mayor (Post 2827822)
All cosmetic? Eh... Not interested. But an upgraded powerplant will definitely catch my attention. As long as it dosen't come with brittle parts such as a CSC maybe :tup:

And, theoretically, a better final gear, so allegedly a wee bit quicker.

Chuck33079 05-21-2014 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 2828398)
And, theoretically, a better final gear, so allegedly a wee bit quicker.

:iagree: I think this is getting overlooked. This should make for a much peppier car. Everyone who has put shorter gears in a Z has raved about it being the best mod they've done.

my2004Z 05-21-2014 05:03 PM

Perfect balance between street and track...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYm_S1goMvA

Jordo! 05-21-2014 07:15 PM

I have to say, I really like the wheels the more I see of them.

I'm a bit mixed after some further reflection on the wing; I think it's nicer than the current sport package offering, but I wonder how something closer to the S-tune wing would have looked...

Definitely prefer the front fascia over the old Nismo front, and really loving those seats, which initially I didn't really care much about.

No opinion on the new black interior accents vs the brushed silver, but the red ring around the start button is very silly looking. A GT-R red start would have looked better, and everyone will throw the OEM one in the trash for the red button anyway...

Have there been any metrics on handling, braking, cd and acceleration, or nothing yet? Like to see if it does all better than the last iteration and if so, by how much.

Zerocool 05-21-2014 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Footloose301 (Post 2827354)
I do love how they got rid of the silver within the car and replaced it with a dark graphite looking color. Check out the door handles and plastic trims around various things like the shifter and such.

http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_6780.jpg
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_6781.jpg

Have to agree. I hate all the silver trim

fuct 05-22-2014 08:33 AM

theres a different cruise control button as well, unless that change happened sometime in the last few years. mine is a silver round button.

kenchan 05-22-2014 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by fuct (Post 2829235)
theres a different cruise control button as well, unless that change happened sometime in the last few years. mine is a silver round button.

huh, you're right. :D mine is round too. thought i would never use cruise in my Z, but since the throttle is so sensitive i usually cruise going down those 30-35mph roads just to be safe from speeding.

burgerga 05-22-2014 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 2828692)
but the red ring around the start button is very silly looking. A GT-R red start would have looked better, and everyone will throw the OEM one in the trash for the red button anyway...


The ring actually isn't part of what's replaced when you swap the button. I wonder how the red gtr button with the red ring would look? I think it would be much better than the stock button with red ring. Also if the ring is like a mini halo with some LEDs that would be awesome.


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L33T Z34 05-22-2014 09:26 PM

D4mn! That '15 NizeM0 is look'n good! :eek: Way better look'n front and rear bumpers.
And Frontier 3.90 final drive (381000B66A) for the 6MTs, not bad...
Liked the '14 and older BIG spoiler than that duck bill POS though.
The Rays wheels look better too.
The Recaros in red not like'n. Would like to see the Recaros in GREY/SILVER/BLAK instead...
I would have to trade my '09 in if this NizeM0 had 380+ hp.

mag_black 05-22-2014 09:41 PM

^^Damn, and that's the edited version of your post? lol JK!

jooonnn 05-23-2014 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Volk Z (Post 2826728)
SO hot! I just sold my 2013 Nismo and this new one is making me want to go back to the dealer!!

They took all the ques i was hoping for, more aggressive front with contrasting darker colors, blacked out headlights, recaro seats, not a huge wing. The body kit is even better then the 2009-2014 which seemed to be hard to accomplish.

My thought is they did this to see how we like it and adapt some of the design on the Z35.
I hope the Z35 looks like this but downsized with a 325+hp 4 cylinder direct injection motor that revs up to 7800-8000 RPMS and only weighs around 2800 pounds.

Nissan if you do this put me down for a white one.

They blacked all the silver out except the damn door handles!!

Zed-Hed 05-23-2014 03:37 PM

Could someone show me what the car would look like in black and silver.

welterbf123 05-23-2014 07:09 PM

Finally! A Nizmo Z that has leather and nav!...

Virtual 05-23-2014 09:43 PM

Those recaro seats look pretty cool. Any other real good jdm seats to put in a 370? do people not put new seats because of the already heated seats? i always wanted to get some good bride's and add takata harness just for the look

Z1NONLY 05-24-2014 07:37 AM

When I saw it in person, I got the impression that Nissan was attempting to expand its target market. The new wing and wheels just seem like they are reaching out to "grown-ups". (Or at least people who want to be viewed as mature adults)

I prefer the more extroverted look of the preveious version. If they wanted an understated NISMO, a "sleeper" approach might have been better IMHO.

SterlingDrive 05-24-2014 07:59 AM

Cruise switch
 
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Originally Posted by fuct (Post 2829235)
theres a different cruise control button as well, unless that change happened sometime in the last few years. mine is a silver round button.

My '14's are still silver and round.

Sterling

mab864 05-24-2014 10:06 AM

Overall I like it better. I'm not really a big wing kind of guy so I'm OK with the smaller new wing. I love the new seats and I like the new wheel design. Intrigued with the final drive ratio & auto available in this. Of course I'm currently pissed because the CSC is acting up in my manual at 5700 miles.... arrrggghhh!

2011_6Spd 05-24-2014 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Zerocool (Post 2828739)
Have to agree. I hate all the silver trim

Well we should be able to order those trim pieces and swap them out on our older models...

BOLIO 671 05-26-2014 11:22 AM

Not a Big Fan of the re-designed Nismo. Looks too close to the Sports/Touring Model with that wing, and the tighter face and butt lift on the front and rear bumpers make it look a lot smaller and less aggressive....

Out of this whole package the only thing that I like is the new seats....Although the look nice, I'm curious to know what their comfort level is...

MC 05-26-2014 06:14 PM

comfort level is good. I rode in it a few miles and its a big improvement. the bolsters while not as high as the Juke RS they fit me really well.. the alcantara inserts are nice as well. Its not just better looking it gives the whole car a more upscale feel when sitting in them

Rusty 05-26-2014 06:30 PM

Looking at what Nissan did with the '15 Nismo. Tells me that it will be another 2 years or so before they release an all new Z. :shakes head: Why would they spend the money on a few up-date peices if they wasn't planning on keeping it the same for awhile longer. It will take about 2 years to get their money back on the design change on the new stuff. Also, I think they are testing the waters too with the design changes.

Nargrakhan 05-26-2014 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 2834639)
Looking at what Nissan did with the '15 Nismo. Tells me that it will be another 2 years or so before they release an all new Z. :shakes head: Why would they spend the money on a few up-date peices if they wasn't planning on keeping it the same for awhile longer. It will take about 2 years to get their money back on the design change on the new stuff. Also, I think they are testing the waters too with the design changes.


When all is said and done, Nissan is still a corporation that's out to make profit. If this avenue becomes a massive success to pull in cash, then they'll beat that cow until it's a fine red mist. However I don't think the new look will be all that successful. The 370Z was already a beautiful car, and I'm sure we can all agree it's not just the car's appearance that's causing dismal sales. It might boost sales up because of the renewed interest and there being an automatic NISMO, but I'm thinking the 370Z market is already oversaturated. Most everyone who wants one, already does. I'm willing to guess that most of the 2015 NISMO buyers will be people who trade in an older Z for it.

It also doesn't help that the casual driver doesn't know the difference between the 350 and 370... thus in their mind, this car has been around for 12 years.

The new Mustang, Stingray and FR-S are all my coworkers like to talk about right now. They respect the Z, but are still waiting for the next generation before getting serious about it. It doesn't matter if she's gonna be a 400+ HP to challenge the American muscle cars or goes below the 300 HP range to battle it out with the Toyobaru twins... they just wanna see a totally new Z. Everyone knows the 2015 NISMO is just a new shell. Cheaper to just bodykit an old Z than buy a new one for just the shell.

In any case, as an earlier poster pointed out, the team that designed the 2015 NISMO look, is highly unlikely to be the same team designing the next generation Z. This is just a diversion to give Nissan another year to finish whatever they need to finish.

ElwoodBlues 05-26-2014 08:11 PM

I expect the current model to be around for a couple of more model years... maybe a new one for '17

"Nissan has said it will instead concentrate on evolving the standard Fairlady Z/370Z in a more performance-oriented direction during the model's sunset years. The first evidence of this came just last week with the recently unveiled 2015 370Z NISMO, a performance model with enhanced aerodynamics over the 2014 version and improved handling in the high-speed range.
Throughout its life, the Fairlady Z/370Z Roadster utilized the same 3.7-liter V6 generating 350 hp and 276 lb-ft of torque as its hard-top counterpart. With an available six-speed manual or seven-speed automatic transmission, both offering with rev-matching downshifts, riding on a shortened wheelbase version of Nissan's front-midship platform it has served its purpose well. However, it has been rumored that the next-gen Z-car will be smaller and lighter than the 370Z, the first time Nissan will have reduced the model's displacement since the 240Z's introduction in October 1969."


Read more: Nissan to discontinue Fairlady Z Roadster production | New and Used Car Reviews, Research & Automotive-Industry News & LeftLaneNews

RN SHARK 05-27-2014 12:38 AM

I wonder if the new front end is purely aesthetics in an effort to match the other Nismo models or are there functional aspects (i.e. brake cooling ducts)?
I also believe the next Z model will be a long time off. Don't be surprised if the Z takes a hiatus as it did after the Z32. A little birdie I know who is in the know said as much. Nissan has a few other RWD platform projects in the works and are putting their effort into those. The 370z was a great design and I still love my '09, but I don't think I'll return to the Z in the future.

/Angelo350Z/ 05-27-2014 12:54 AM

I'm really excited to see what the next Z has to offer. However, I'd rather wait a few years for a Z that's comparable to the current Carrera S than see another "refreshed" 370Z marketed as a Z35.

Nargrakhan 05-27-2014 08:35 AM

If the 2016 was "just" a turbo/super charged modification of 370Z, would that convince anyone here to take interest in getting one? Or would you still wait for the 35?

*EDIT*
Thinking on that a bit more... how much would you be willing to pay for that kind of option if it was offered? It adds $$$ to what some already consider a too costly car. Probably the main reason why Nissan hasn't seriously flaunted the idea... added price and too small an interest group to recover the investment.

carlitos_370z 05-27-2014 08:49 AM

if they made the Z turbo or sc im going to get one lol!!!

Akurei 05-27-2014 09:09 AM

I like how the new Nismo looks but I think they over did it just a bit. Like the ZR1. I think the 14/13 Nismo looks way better. It would be cool if they put more speed into the Nismo, as its not much of a bargain to pay $10k or moee for only a 18 horspower and like 7 torque difference? Yeah it has cosmetics and some upgrades, but it really makes the Nismo not worth getting in terms of a Camaro RS and a Camaro SS. Irs just not a significant upgrade. Now if they do add forced induction, that be a sight to see. Just my opinion

Firebase99 05-27-2014 09:42 AM

If the new Z (if it ever happens actually) isnt in the $30K base price for Mustng GT performance, it wont even catch my attention. If I wanted to pay $50K for a sports car, Ill get a Vette.

UNKNOWN_370 05-27-2014 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Akurei (Post 2835234)
I like how the new Nismo looks but I think they over did it just a bit. Like the ZR1. I think the 14/13 Nismo looks way better. It would be cool if they put more speed into the Nismo, as its not much of a bargain to pay $10k or moee for only a 18 horspower and like 7 torque difference? Yeah it has cosmetics and some upgrades, but it really makes the Nismo not worth getting in terms of a Camaro RS and a Camaro SS. Irs just not a significant upgrade. Now if they do add forced induction, that be a sight to see. Just my opinion

I don't think some of you realize how many thousands of dollars in structural rigidity components the Nismo Z has. Comparing it to a camaro RS and SS shows certain lack of insight. Has anyone seen what an SS looks like, flopping around a track? Without the 1LE pkg a camaro isn't in the same ballpark as a nismo.

For my personal use I can't justify the price of a Nismo. But I give Nissan top respect for putting together a solid track vehicle. Nissan did take too long to add the oil cooler and the brake cooler should have been extended outside of the Nismo model. But it's a solid value to have that much body bracing when you track your vehicle.

Akurei 05-27-2014 12:14 PM

Yeah, no offense at all, I'm sure the upgrades they did to the nismo makes it an overall better vehicle than the 370z with sports package, but it's only a small difference is all I'm saying. I didn't say I wouldn't get one if I had the money. I rather buy aftermarket parts to make the Z better than what the Nismo Z has to offer.

And Rev Match sucks. It definately shifts better than me, but I like having control of my vehicle

Nargrakhan 05-27-2014 02:29 PM

I'm of the mind that you're right... dollar for dollar, getting non-NISMO parts can offer more value in actual performance. However NISMO is a brand name of sorts. Dollar for dollar, you can get a better performing PC or phone for the price you pay for an Apple... but there's a certain allure of having an Apple in certain social circles. That's the kind of effect NISMO wants to have. So the price is for greater performance... but equally for just having that authentic badge.

That being said: Nissan has to make sure they find a workable balance that doesn't make them too exclusive. Given the 2015 is now available as automatic, they clearly want more people to buy them. IMHO, Nissan really needs to get a third sports car. The GT-R as the +100K beast, the Z to float in the $50K range, and a $25K performer (the IDx?) for everyone else.

***EDIT***
Then again... the Z is supposed to be the affordable sports car, right?

Firebase99 05-28-2014 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Nargrakhan (Post 2835750)
I'm of the mind that you're right... dollar for dollar, getting non-NISMO parts can offer more value in actual performance. However NISMO is a brand name of sorts. Dollar for dollar, you can get a better performing PC or phone for the price you pay for an Apple... but there's a certain allure of having an Apple in certain social circles. That's the kind of effect NISMO wants to have. So the price is for greater performance... but equally for just having that authentic badge.

That being said: Nissan has to make sure they find a workable balance that doesn't make them too exclusive. Given the 2015 is now available as automatic, they clearly want more people to buy them. IMHO, Nissan really needs to get a third sports car. The GT-R as the +100K beast, the Z to float in the $50K range, and a $25K performer (the IDx?) for everyone else.

***EDIT***
Then again... the Z is supposed to be the affordable sports car, right?

Ive had so many Z's Ive lost count. If the base price of the Z35 is more than $32K Ill be looking elsewhere.

o0javi0o 05-28-2014 01:40 PM

Still think the 2014 Nismo is better looking.

Montez 05-28-2014 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nargrakhan (Post 2835750)
I'm of the mind that you're right... dollar for dollar, getting non-NISMO parts can offer more value in actual performance. However NISMO is a brand name of sorts. Dollar for dollar, you can get a better performing PC or phone for the price you pay for an Apple... but there's a certain allure of having an Apple in certain social circles. That's the kind of effect NISMO wants to have. So the price is for greater performance... but equally for just having that authentic badge.

That being said: Nissan has to make sure they find a workable balance that doesn't make them too exclusive. Given the 2015 is now available as automatic, they clearly want more people to buy them. IMHO, Nissan really needs to get a third sports car. The GT-R as the +100K beast, the Z to float in the $50K range, and a $25K performer (the IDx?) for everyone else.

***EDIT***
Then again... the Z is supposed to be the affordable sports car, right?

Good edit because if it started in the 50K range, just to think its a poor seller now....... oh my is all I can say in that regard.:icon14:

cubarican84 05-28-2014 05:11 PM

How do I apologize for my op rant? I must eat my words and look like an ***. Because for whatever reason this new nismo has grown on me and I actually like it.

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Jordo! 05-28-2014 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cubarican84 (Post 2837429)
How do I apologize for my op rant? I must eat my words and look like an ***. Because for whatever reason this new nismo has grown on me and I actually like it.

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You are forgiven.

On another note, google "mere exposure effect" or "perceptual fluency" for an at least partial explanation of why the car's looks may have gradually grown on you.

Firebase99 05-29-2014 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cubarican84 (Post 2837429)
How do I apologize for my op rant? I must eat my words and look like an ***. Because for whatever reason this new nismo has grown on me and I actually like it.

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Hell, I like it too!! Its very sexy!! id just never buy it considering what they MIGHT do with the Z35 and other platforms out there for roughly the same coin.

UNKNOWN_370 05-29-2014 09:09 AM

These are my questions about the 15 Nismo.

Has VVEL been refined as in the Infiniti Q50?

How much better is the new suspension?

Have they made the exhaust a little louder?

The suspension is most intriguing because a much improved suspension may possibly add up to .3 seconds of acceleration times and unknown track time improvements.
The suspension is a great way to increase performance without increasing power. Nissan might have done more than what appears on paper?

KrisL 05-29-2014 10:12 AM

Any idea when dealerships will let people order these? All the Mustang people are putting in their orders and the first ones of those won't hit dealer floors until September.

Or does Nissan not do that sort of thing and we just get to wait until July or later?

Sorry for the dumb questions. Never been interested in a car not-yet-released like this before.


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