6 Cars With 300-Plus Horsepower That You Can Still Buy for Under $30,000
 

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All of them where 6 Cyl Muscle Cars that will not move that weight. The best two non-muscle were the Genesis and Z. Of course the Z was the best in the list.

:iagree: Exactly what I thought.

But you CAN buy a 5.0 for less than $30k as well

Granted, MSRP is $31,xxx, but invoice is still $28,xxx

Yep, all day long. All of those prices were based on MSRP. You'd have to be the easiest mark on the planet to pay within $5k of msrp for a Ford or Chevy. I don't know if Dodge has that much wiggle room since I wouldn't buy a Chrysler product at gunpoint.

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That's the funny thing- Chrysler was so bad, that the Italians improved them. :rofl2:

Mhmmmmm... Whatever you say... Yeah the Viper has a better interior, but on the rest of their cars... We'll see when Fiat REALLY takes over, their cars are going to break left and right

Don't mention the viper...they have shut down production right now because of super low sales, and now the SRT Viper is not racing at Le Mans this year. :shakes head:

91 vipers have been sold, with another 756 or so sitting in the lots... American junk will always be just that... Junk.

The SRT Viper Is A Terrible Sales Flop That Chrysler Has Had To Axe

Also, this list will be vastly different in the next 8 months.
Between the new Mustang coming out soon, an updated camaro frame (lighter with same power), and a line change at Nissan depending on what they end up doing (IDx and Z). 20k might buy you some nice power while 30k takes you into the 400+ range then.

I do not especially care for the looks of this Viper, but you :gtfo2:

Still love the Viper as a whole. Their issue is and always will be the Corvette. For the same or less money you get a faster car that handles better.
And while they are getting more HP out of that engine than ever before... OHV... Really? Even the other American companies moved past that... Make it a DOHC 8.4L, put a nice tune on it, and helllloooooooooo 750HP.

Also, previously dealers maybe received one Viper a year, if they were a top seller... I haven't seen any Dodge dealer carry one yet... While every Chevy dealer has at least 1 ZR1 in the showroom, same with Nissan, every dealer has at least 1 GTR sitting in their floor

Truly sad. They've got a great racing history.
Never driven a Viper, have you? The older ones are a great value these days for a toy sports car and I'd take the new one over a ZR1 all day long. They're so much fun to drive. The torque and grip are unbelievable, and the new one has even more. The only knock on it was the Neon interior and the heat, and they've fixed at least half of those problems.

IDX won't be close to 300hp, I bet not more than 250, and I can't see the Z getting more power. I see lighter.

Again. 30k already gets you a 5.0 which is nicely over 400HP

Well that is what I am getting at though, the real break down soon will be this.
20k will give you 250HP
30k will give you 400HP or more

Nissan needs to see this or they will lose, even with less weight. The 30k class is being split and you either drop down to a lower bracket or you have to pump up your power to compete. Not saying Nissan needs 500HP to compete but it really needs to be at 400HP starting in its current trim.

Also, thought Nissan dealers had to have a GT-R certified tech AND a sales rep who has been trained to sell the GT-R. I know a few of the Nissan dealers in Houston are not GT-R certified and they cannot sell a GT-R (because I asked).

Intake/headers/tune will get you pretty close to that at the crank on the old ones. They also really wake up with shorter gearing in the rear. And boost makes them insane.

I'm starting to wonder if Nissan is going to pull a truly brilliant move...Use the IDX to compete with the BRZ and then use the GTR 3.8L with a Nismo turbo option for a 380Z.

LOOK I can dream damn it!

You're half right for sure. :rofl2:

Not that high, but high.
Also imagine if stupid Dodge did that BEFORE selling the car, it would be another game.


Also, I drove a... 2007-8 Viper in Detroit. It was stupid. Literally stupid. Besides Bose, that car is áss in seat, engine on wheels.
My "uncle" (dad's cousin) took it on the freeway at 140+ top down, cops gave a nice wave as we passed

They could not build the engine fast enough, espeically if Infiniti is getting the engine in its sedan soon.

AMG makes 50 times more handmade engines than Nissan does, so no excuse there. I just have a feeling Nissan won't be making them by hand anymore or maybe for the Infiniti they won't make them by hand.

Nissan said they have added a 4th engine builder to the team who puts together the engine. I imagine it just has to do with they don't want to make a lot, they would rather build to order to limit cost.

It was the Infiniti that got me thinking about the idea. There is no reason you couldn't make a mass produced version of the 3.8. It is hand made because of the demand for a certain level of perfection, that's all.

The only thing that keeps me from being really excited about the idea is the direction designs by all makers are going. Really not a fan of the angular look. The IDX is growing on me but the look is going to get old really fast. Something tells me that the new Z is not going to have me rushing to sell my 40th based on its look.

... You mean, raise price to the consumer?

You limit cost by making more/kicking out people. Granted AMG still has the people. But they are Germans, and Germans have a history of this oven thing if you don't work hard enough.

Yeah, AMG has been doing it a bit longer.
I mean limit cost on Nissan's end, only order the exact number of parts per month required, but of course create an inflated price for the consumer because it is an exclusive and is limited.

I agree the engine could be mass produced and throw into a new other cars. Infiniti sedan, maybe a coupe version, etc but who knows what Nissan is thinking, especially now with their partnership with Mercedes on engines.

I never understood this... Perfection is the exact opposite of hand made. Machine made is always better. Not sometimes better, ALWAYS better.

Yeah, handmade coach work is nice, but have you ever been in an old Italian or English car? Did it still feel as right as it did when it came out of the factory?


They make "by hand" because people but into the BS of "it's better" so they can keep the price up.

Or it doesn't make economic sense to have a dedicated computerized assembly line for the quantity they turn out.

Then they sell being handmade as a feature. I'd rather have machine made. People fail all the time.

... Ehhhhhh... Low inventory "Just in time" is a Japanese invention, but for the GTR they are just being morons about it. Like you have to provide a VIN to purchase a GTR engine... So stupid... The demand is there, they just want to keep the price high

Did not know this. Remind me not to buy another Nissan

I agree with that, my comment was more aimed at AMG.

I actually have driven both old & new. The old one is 1000x the fun

I think the Mercedes thing is for the low end, like 4 cylinder engines and what what, maybe even diesel tech since Nissan needs to get into that quickly to compete with the euro TDI offerings and more American diesel cars FINALLY coming to America after being in Europe forever!

They just need to upgrade the GT-R engine to something newer, give the new Z the old engine as tried a true, 380z TT and sell it for 50k starting price with a singe clutch auto and around 500HP (so clearly detuned).

The old one is a hoot. It's primitive as hell, but far more capable than people give it credit for. You can get a pretty good one for $40k and there isn't much I'd rather have for a dedicated "fun" car. That was one of the cars I seriously considered before coming home with the Z, but I wanted something I could daily drive and a Viper is not it. :rofl2:

Apparently maintaining them ain't cheap either. But nothing I've ever driven scared me more than fish tailing that beast in a corner..

The maintenance cost of a car is always tied to its original msrp, not what you buy it for used.

But...but...I only bought it for 30k, why is it so expensive, I did not buy it new at 100k.

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It's the reason (well, the reason that's not "automatic transmission") why I was unwilling to consider a used GTR.

Not sure I would consider this a brilliant move...Apologies for saying so.

IDX to compete with BRZ = Good Idea
GTR 3.8L Turbo for a 380Z = Bad idea

I am a big fan of more power but not if it makes the front end of the Z more of a boat anchor then it is presently. I dream of 50/50 weight distribution despite Nissans marketing that the current weight distribution is better.

If I were a dreamer they would shave off 100 lbs + of the block and stroke it out to 4.2L + (making up numbers) making North of 375 HP and focus the rest of the dollars on chassis weight savings. Imagine a 3000 lbs 375 HP Z with a 50/50 weight distribution. Oh yeah and they should also make the suspension on the Z fully adjustable from stock. Look at the Mazda Rx8 chassis...You don't need camber arms. Finally, a better LSD and lower driving position.

I know its blasphemy because I like the 3.7L but I think a whole new engine is in order. Lighter, smaller, and more powerful. I would prefer NOT to have a 4 cylinder Turbo but if it sounds good then I could be convinced. What if they make a super light version of the old inline 6 and turbo it...uuuuuuuuu yummy.

I wish Nissan would 1 up Chevy's LS and build a whole new v8 that is lighter/smaller with the same power levels then put that into the Z.

Just dreaming.

All you have to do is look at F1 and their new sound with the engine change this year. I don't think you will get the sound out of the 4 cyl turbo that you are looking for. Another note to add is they have stated that the IPL badge will actually mean something on the next model. And it was rumored to be that it would get the 3.8 Turbo. I know how rumors go but they have to do something with the Nismo and IPL badges. It has to mean more than just a bodykit. They want to compete with the AMG, M series, and CTS-V with the IPL. So if they drop a better powerplant in the Infiniti I don't see why the Nismo can't receive the same treatment.

Yep, YOU, are stoned