Well that is what I am getting at though, the real break down soon will be this.
20k will give you 250HP
30k will give you 400HP or more

Nissan needs to see this or they will lose, even with less weight. The 30k class is being split and you either drop down to a lower bracket or you have to pump up your power to compete. Not saying Nissan needs 500HP to compete but it really needs to be at 400HP starting in its current trim.

Also, thought Nissan dealers had to have a GT-R certified tech AND a sales rep who has been trained to sell the GT-R. I know a few of the Nissan dealers in Houston are not GT-R certified and they cannot sell a GT-R (because I asked).

Intake/headers/tune will get you pretty close to that at the crank on the old ones. They also really wake up with shorter gearing in the rear. And boost makes them insane.

I'm starting to wonder if Nissan is going to pull a truly brilliant move...Use the IDX to compete with the BRZ and then use the GTR 3.8L with a Nismo turbo option for a 380Z.

LOOK I can dream damn it!

You're half right for sure. :rofl2:

Not that high, but high.
Also imagine if stupid Dodge did that BEFORE selling the car, it would be another game.


Also, I drove a... 2007-8 Viper in Detroit. It was stupid. Literally stupid. Besides Bose, that car is áss in seat, engine on wheels.
My "uncle" (dad's cousin) took it on the freeway at 140+ top down, cops gave a nice wave as we passed

They could not build the engine fast enough, espeically if Infiniti is getting the engine in its sedan soon.

AMG makes 50 times more handmade engines than Nissan does, so no excuse there. I just have a feeling Nissan won't be making them by hand anymore or maybe for the Infiniti they won't make them by hand.

Nissan said they have added a 4th engine builder to the team who puts together the engine. I imagine it just has to do with they don't want to make a lot, they would rather build to order to limit cost.

It was the Infiniti that got me thinking about the idea. There is no reason you couldn't make a mass produced version of the 3.8. It is hand made because of the demand for a certain level of perfection, that's all.

The only thing that keeps me from being really excited about the idea is the direction designs by all makers are going. Really not a fan of the angular look. The IDX is growing on me but the look is going to get old really fast. Something tells me that the new Z is not going to have me rushing to sell my 40th based on its look.

... You mean, raise price to the consumer?

You limit cost by making more/kicking out people. Granted AMG still has the people. But they are Germans, and Germans have a history of this oven thing if you don't work hard enough.

Yeah, AMG has been doing it a bit longer.
I mean limit cost on Nissan's end, only order the exact number of parts per month required, but of course create an inflated price for the consumer because it is an exclusive and is limited.

I agree the engine could be mass produced and throw into a new other cars. Infiniti sedan, maybe a coupe version, etc but who knows what Nissan is thinking, especially now with their partnership with Mercedes on engines.

I never understood this... Perfection is the exact opposite of hand made. Machine made is always better. Not sometimes better, ALWAYS better.

Yeah, handmade coach work is nice, but have you ever been in an old Italian or English car? Did it still feel as right as it did when it came out of the factory?


They make "by hand" because people but into the BS of "it's better" so they can keep the price up.

Or it doesn't make economic sense to have a dedicated computerized assembly line for the quantity they turn out.

Then they sell being handmade as a feature. I'd rather have machine made. People fail all the time.

... Ehhhhhh... Low inventory "Just in time" is a Japanese invention, but for the GTR they are just being morons about it. Like you have to provide a VIN to purchase a GTR engine... So stupid... The demand is there, they just want to keep the price high

Did not know this. Remind me not to buy another Nissan

I agree with that, my comment was more aimed at AMG.