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NIZMOZ 01-05-2010 07:59 AM
370z would easily beat a stock Z32 TT. My 07 350Z with the HR did with a few members in the club just couldn't keep up with it and on the track.

But once the mods go, the TT will spank any Z's butt. :P

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Originally Posted by LSUTurboTiger (Post 353931)
Its been a long time since my 300ZXTT was stock, but I think the 370Z would definitely take it stock. Not so much once even a few mods are done. I doubt my 05 350Z would have beaten a stock 300ZXTT though.

The biggest thing to me about the 300ZXTT is it has a different feel from all the other Z cars I have owned (82 280ZX, 86 300ZX, 05 350Z & 09 370Z) in all of those cars you knew you were driving a Z just from the familiar look/feel of them all. the three guages on the center dash being a small example of that. the engine noise, the shifters, etc. The 300ZXTT is unique in its driving experience among Z's IMO.

I have had my 300ZXTT for about 13 years now, and its still my favorite Z. Its a blast to drive, fast as hell and just wants to go. The 370Z is a close second to me, better than all the others I have owned. The quality of the build of the 300ZXTT is a big plus for a car you may want to hang onto indefinitely. Every little thing still works in a 1991 car.

it is a great, unique Z in the lineup of great Z cars.

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NIZMOZ 01-05-2010 08:01 AM
While you have the engine out, I would seriously recommend doing all the seals on it. My friend also did this and regretted it later when the seals started having issues. So we had to pull his engine again. You are at the mileage it is going to start showing signs of leakage.

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Originally Posted by LSUTurboTiger (Post 354508)
Yes, the HICAS worked just fine, on the 91 its still a hydraulic system. I actually just took it out when I put new energy suspension subframe/diff bushings in the car this past August. I took the whole system out - solenoid, lines, rear rack. I did not want to take a chance on that system malfunctioning down the road and the rear wheels doing something odd, plus I never thought it added much to the driving experience. But it was working fine when I removed it.

I also thought that was a bit overkill, and the car is a little over-engineered in a few places. Like all the coolant lines under the plenum, etc.

I have taken alot of emissions stuff off over the years too. Have never had much break on the car though except a starter, a TPS sensor and a high pressure power steering hose I changed because it was leaking. thats in 13 years of ownership.

One thing that has deteriorated over time is the EFI harness, alot of the connectors are brittle, when you change the plugs or something like that the connectors tend to break. So I bought a new one and have to pull the engine to replace it. Since I am doing that I have bought a room full of stuff that I am about to put on it this spring. New ball bearing GT600R turbos (new downpipes), mike smith manifolds, 300degree fuel rails, 740cc injectors, dual intakes, dual MAF translator and a new ECU chip. Its all sitting in my spare bedroom waiting to be put on. Currently the car only has intake, Borla exhaust, jim wolf ECU, greddy intercoolers and Specialty Z down/test pipes so all this stuff should be a big boost in performance, and alot of work, but football season is almost over (GEAUX SAINTS!) so I will get started soon. Immediately after that it will need a brake upgrade.

The car has 91,000 miles on it and is in great shape inside and out, but will need paint soon due to some dings and chips. I am the 2nd owner, bought it from a doctor in New Orleans.

SiXK 01-05-2010 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ (Post 354513)
While you have the engine out, I would seriously recommend doing all the seals on it. My friend also did this and regretted it later when the seals started having issues. So we had to pull his engine again. You are at the mileage it is going to start showing signs of leakage.
good advice and definitely in the plans. last thing I want to do is pull the engine twice.

Mercennarius 01-06-2010 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by tranceformer (Post 351491)
Very good points but the 300zx TT cost ~$30k back in 1990.
In 1990 it did, by 1996 it was near $50,000. My brothers old 1995 300ZX was $43,000, and it was a non turbo. Twin turbos were closer to $46,000 back then. The Z32 was more on par with todays R35 GT-R when it came out.
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Nissan had more money to put into the development of the 300zx TT, IMO.
No, its not that they had more money to put into R&D. Back then Nissan decided they wanted to bring the Z car up to bargain supercar levels, the Z had continually gotten more expensive/nicer/powerful/faster with each generation from the 240Z-300ZX. By the mid 1990s sports car sales were down, SUV sales were up, the yen to dollar ratio was hurting the Japanese, and it seemed the world wasnt ready for Japanese supercars so the 300ZX/Supra/RX-7/3000GT VR4 all slowly died off.

The 350Z/370Z are supposed to be more of a reincarnation of the original 240Z. Affordable, fun, reliable, sports cars. Its doubtful we will see the Z car rise to near supercar levels again like we did in the early 1990s, especially since Nissan has brought the GTR up to that spot.

NIZMOZ 01-06-2010 12:23 PM
But the 370z and HR 350Z out performs the 300ZX TT in all categories for 1/3 of the cost the Z32 TT was in 1996.

It's faster, it handles way better, lighter, more reliable and affordable! :) Of course this is speaking stock vs stock in the power department only.

FricFrac 01-12-2010 02:02 AM
Its silly to compare a boosted car to a N/A - they are completely different beasts. Drop the compression on the VQ37HR, twin turbo it with a tuned ECU then compare it to a 300ZX - we both know there will be no comparison - the 370Z will outperform it in pretty much every area. Technology is tough to compete with. The Z32 was years ahead of itself - it looks every part a modern car 20 years later but regardless there has been a lot of technology between then and now with the Z.

That being said I still desperately want a Z32 ;)

chicagozer 01-24-2010 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by LSUTurboTiger (Post 354508)
I also thought that was a bit overkill, and the car is a little over-engineered in a few places. Like all the coolant lines under the plenum, etc.

I have taken alot of emissions stuff off over the years too. Have never had much break on the car though except a starter, a TPS sensor and a high pressure power steering hose I changed because it was leaking. thats in 13 years of ownership.

One thing that has deteriorated over time is the EFI harness, alot of the connectors are brittle, when you change the plugs or something like that the connectors tend to break. So I bought a new one and have to pull the engine to replace it. Since I am doing that I have bought a room full of stuff that I am about to put on it this spring. New ball bearing GT600R turbos (new downpipes), mike smith manifolds, 300degree fuel rails, 740cc injectors, dual intakes, dual MAF translator and a new ECU chip. Its all sitting in my spare bedroom waiting to be put on. Currently the car only has intake, Borla exhaust, jim wolf ECU, greddy intercoolers and Specialty Z down/test pipes so all this stuff should be a big boost in performance, and alot of work, but football season is almost over (GEAUX SAINTS!) so I will get started soon. Immediately after that it will need a brake upgrade.

The car has 91,000 miles on it and is in great shape inside and out, but will need paint soon due to some dings and chips. I am the 2nd owner, bought it from a doctor in New Orleans.
Good luck with your upgrades! I've been tempted a couple times to test drive a 370Z...but I've had my Z32 since 96 and no room for another car. I'm jealous you have the garage space to have your cake and eat it too.

Supergoji 01-26-2010 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ (Post 355408)
But the 370z and HR 350Z out performs the 300ZX TT in all categories for 1/3 of the cost the Z32 TT was in 1996.

It's faster, it handles way better, lighter, more reliable and affordable! :) Of course this is speaking stock vs stock in the power department only.
the HR Z and TTz are equal in terms of acceleration. in a drag race 300zx's were always bad performers because of the suspension designed against it. they were designed for road course.

and yes weight was also a problem that plagued the Z32.

i wouldn't say the HR handles way better. stock 300's were pulling .93 G back in the day. on 225/50/16 front and 245/45/16 tires with soft suspension. with 20 year old tires mind you!

125ft stopping distance is nothing to scoff at either 20 years ago.

Z33's have had their fair share of issues as well.
20 year old turbo cars have held up quite well.

affordable yes, the z33 and z34 are much more affordable without question if we compared new prices.

put 5k on general performance on the Z32, Z33, Z34 and I believe the Z32 will outperform the other two if not match them.

Z33 interior is crappy.
Z32 is middle of the road.
Z34 has the best interior by far.


as far as comparing a turbo Z32 to a turbo Z33 or turbo Z34?
well the other cars do have a better heads i believe and more displacement so it's easier to make more power. if one were to max out the stock turbos they would produce around 600bhp. the current record on race gas is 470whp and 520ft-lbs at 21psi on the stock T22/Tb02 hybrid turbos. and that car had stock cams, throttle bodies, mani's, intercooler piping.

however Z32's come with forged internals from the factory with no need to touch them until about 700bhp, and yes i have seen stock internal Z's running around with this power.


give a Z32 a set of eibach's and kyb's, some hawk pads, good brake fluid, a nice set of rotors, and a catback about $1300 worth of parts and it'll hang with a Z34.

xfrgtr 01-26-2010 06:28 AM
Tsukuba, Japan

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300zx Kuwait 04-03-2010 07:13 PM
hello, i have 300zx tt manual trans stock car with an n/a rear end and removed the catlitic converters this means it is like 50hp nitrous shot and i EAT!! the 350HRs and the 370s :D:D back in kuwait streets i go on roll 60 km/h and i am always in front :):) do these changes on the z32tt 2seater and remember me :) you wont be disapointment

Red370 04-03-2010 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 300zx Kuwait (Post 479345)
hello, i have 300zx tt manual trans stock car with an n/a rear end and removed the catlitic converters this means it is like 50hp nitrous shot and i EAT!! the 350HRs and the 370s :D:D back in kuwait streets i go on roll 60 km/h and i am always in front :):) do these changes on the z32tt 2seater and remember me :) you wont be disapointment
^^^

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300zx Kuwait 04-03-2010 07:43 PM
we call the 350s and 370s (pick-ups) or jackass :D:D they take you every where but the problem they are not classified as a sport car or a head turner sory for this comment :)

theDreamer 04-03-2010 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 300zx Kuwait (Post 479371)
we call the 350s and 370s (pick-ups) or jackass :D:D they take you every where but the problem they are not classified as a sport car or a head turner sory for this comment :)
:facepalm:

300zx Kuwait 04-03-2010 08:21 PM
and the biggest problem you i have seen in the us on the youtube is people there dont know how to shifttt . here in kuwait we shift as quick as possible without removing our foot from the gas this will make alot of differnce :D:D

theDreamer 04-03-2010 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 300zx Kuwait (Post 479407)
and the biggest problem you i have seen in the us on the youtube is people there dont know how to shifttt . here in kuwait we shift as quick as possible without removing our foot from the gas this will make alot of differnce :D:D
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