Actually, the Z fanbois are the ones popping up out of everywhere. Us Evo guys appreciate both cars the same. Unlike most Z owners though, we know what we're talking about and we don't base a car's worth on it's ability to atract the opposite sex (which is truly sad and pathetic if you ask me).

You don't want me to post up my vids of me raping a boosted Z when I just had an exhaust, filter, fuel pump and tune (a tune which was HORRIBLE).

What does that say about you that you posted in it? :ughdance:

Now that's a real "riced-up" look!!

If I was single I'd 1,000,000% be driving a Z.

apparently he was a shytty driver, or wasnt boosting much. I seen a APS TT'ed Z dust a 500whp EVO IX at desert demonz last friday, its all in how you drive if the numbers are comparable.

Here's a great example of a Z owner:

Tony (did it for teh lulz)

And as far as mod responsiveness on the cheap, an SRT4 beats both the Z and EVO, while not necessarily reliable, Ive seen 11 sec SRTs for less than 8k.

I can't remember the boost he was running (Turbonetics single) but he knew how to plant his foot on the gas and shift.

Was the APS Z built also? Because if it wasn't, I call shenanigans.

Nice you bring up a video with a Turbo 350z (probably $12k-$15k in mods) vs an Evo with an intake, tp, and a boost controller ( probably less than 2K in it including the odd EMS, still on the stock exhaust) If you're going to make a strong argument you will have to do better than that. The Evo guys find this video hilarious because the Turbo Z barely edges out a Evo with minimal mods and a bad driver. Hardly the right video to make a statement with. :rolleyes:

LOL. You're wrong.

Evos can run 11's with simple bolt-ons. I spent $1k and ran a 12.5@110 back when I was a shitty driver with a shitty tune.

LMAO@needing $8k for 11's.

Yes, I'm aware. GM will still repair it and honor the warranty on it. So that's not an issue. And last I checked that fat pig runs a 13.0 and 4.6 0-60. Not too shabby imo.

The Z is still at the top of the list though.

show me that 12.9, i call BS. And yes, GM will honor the warranty, however, when the 400Z comes out and you waana trade, prepare for them scoffing and offering you free oil changes for a year in trade. I dont know what was done to the Z, but regardless, you can have all the HP in the world, coupled with a shytty driver, it dont mean squat. And you said 12's for 1k, 11's are a different story altogether.

And as a former DSM owner/racer, I know the limits of the 4G63, and 11's are attainable, however, beyond 500whp, you need a stouter block.

I also call shenanigans. I've run neck and neck with a TT built motor Z on the highway in my daily driven IX MR (400whp). If I had 100whp more I would have run away from him. The other driver was a friend of mine, who can also drive.

I would imagine what you saw was good driver in the Z vs bad driver in the Evo.

the IX MR with the JDM map has been recorded running a 12.6 bone stock with the launch control (keep in mind this is not USDM and Japan has higher octane gas). Obviously this isn't what we are used to seeing here, but the Evo's here run 11s all day long with basic bolt ons. Hell, they run 10s with minimal work, stock block.

MT says 13.4 and 4.9, its my bible and they use professional drivers, not magazine editors to do said testing. So the Z is cheaper, faster, sexier, I think I just helped you make an elimination.;)

Why would the fact that that division of the company is gone hurt the resale value? It would still be supported by GM by the next owner.

And I edited my post to 13 flat in the 1/4 since that's what most spec reports say. I only saw 12.9 on a couple.

MotorTrend says 13.0 in the 1/4 and 4.5 0-60.
2009 Pontiac G8 GXP - Transmissions and Specs - First Test - Motor Trend

Maybe you were thinking of the G8 GT?

How would a division going under hurt its resale? are you serious? How bout the recent bankruptcy of GM as a whole? And my mistake on the numbers, mind you, there have been 13 flat claims by 370 owners, and with good slicks, 12's for sure.

Rashionale behind poor resale is this, company goes under (GM), spooks potential buyers, demand goes down, cars sell for less, in turn receive less. The Camaro seems to be their only saving grace, but even that wont dig them out of the hole they dug for themselves.

a co-worker of mine tried to trade his Chrysler 300 in on a new Camry, the car was paid off. They offered him 8k, needless to say he still owns the "Phantom" just an ex.

Speaking of resale, id be worried about owning a Mitsu right about now, rumor is they may go tits up w/i a year.

This thread makes me want to jump out my window.

I can see it spooking some buyers but I really don't see it being that much of a problem. I don't know, I just like GM products. I've always had good luck with them. I used to be a DSM guy too...not so much in the luck dept. there.

I've seen plenty of G8 owners claim 12.5 factory freaks too. Like you said, MotorTrend is the bible and those are the numbers I'm going by for all three of these cars. Right now the G8 wins in everything (even price thanks to the summer close out) except looks. That's where the 370 wins by far.

Its your money brosef! Agreed M4, im leaving now.

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Ok ok ok well I love the 370 and
i would never bash that car, but I do drive a EVO X so i'm obligated to defend my ride.

Before you go any further looks are subjective, real hp and track performance is not. I said this before and i would say it again "there is only a few cars that can match the potential of an evo mod for mod and that is a proven fact"

EXHIBIT A: Here is the man itself Ryan Gates he's been tracking his evo x for a while now with 500 AWHP on STOCK MOTOR, no cam no updraged internals just external bolts ons with no hiccups and breaking track records. Just imagine the power he would get with upgraded internals. Here is the thread and video of his review with his evo x so far

Gates311: Evo X Reliability - evolutionm.net


EXHIBIT B: Let the video talks for itself a legal street car
YouTube - Chris AMS Evo

I think this Car is hitting 900 awhp right now correct me if i'm wrong

EXHIBIT C: This video shows you the potential of an EVO on the track, you top gear fans have probably seen this already

YouTube - Top Gear: Evo vs Lambo

EXHIBIT D: Here is the link to GST motorsports tunes, as you can see those EVOX are already breaking the 300 awhp with a DROP IN FILTER

Evo 10 - Gst Motorsports Tunes - Evo Empire Forum

EXHIBIT E: Here is the AMS EVO X TIME ATTACK car setting the AWHP record for EVO X (Reminder the EVOX has only been out for a lil over 2 years thats including the engine 4B11.)

YouTube - AMS / NOS Energy Drink TA EVO X sets a new HP record!

This is the in car video, if i remember correctly this car is also breaking track records for it's racing class.

YouTube - AMS / NOS Energy Drink Time Attack EVO X - in car


Now like i said i would never bash the 370 or 350 and you could probably find a 350 out there with TT and has like 1000 rhp or a 370 that can outrun a evo on the track or find other videos of a 370 beating a evo. But you can't deny the potential of Evo's. It's a proven fact that you have to spend a lot of money on a 370 to keep up with Evo with 3k dropped on the engine.

For the people that say they buy the 370 bec it's a true sports car let me tell you this what is a true sports car? Is it a car with two seats and two doors, a car with four doors and awd. The answer is none any car that can go on a track really really fast and kick exotic cars *** that to me is a true essence/heart of a sports car. Also i've seen just as much retarded 350 drivers as any cars out there so just because you met some dumb evo drivers doesn't meet they are all like that.

I love both cars but it kinda baffles me people bash the evo like this, remember LOOKS ARE SUBJECTIVE BUT TRUE HP AND TRACK PERFORMANCE IS NOT.

Someone mentioned FQ-400... isn't FQ-400 more of a GT-R price territory.

I used to have an X - I have met and spoken with just as many sane enthusiasts from the Evo community as I have from the Z/G ones... There will be idiots who own both - and yes there are plenty of silly Z owners and evo owners alike..

Price doesn't matter. It's a production Evo.

EDIT: By production, I mean stock.

personally i prefer the STI, much better car, and it will hold its resale after a year. Ooh that oughta strike a nerve!:bowrofl:

I have plenty of Z's who try to race me all the time. I'm usually just trying to get home from work. Just the same, the Evo guys do it as well. I just don't think it's a fair statement to say Evo drivers behave differently as a whole community. I deal with both communities on a daily basis and find both drivers about the same age range and maturity range.

Well, I'll throw in my .02 ...

I have owned a an EVO VIII RS that started out stock and ended up with full turboback exhaust, cams, intake alky injection and standalone... enjoyed the car, but it was like a throwback with hand crank windows and no sound deadening....

Next was the EVO IX MR that I swore would stay stock.... so... three weeks later started with an exhaust, then full exhaust, then intake cam.... THEN.... FP Green turbo, injectors, FMIC and so on.... THAT car was a blast!! Then it got to be too much....

Went two years trying to get it all out of my system. Went to a Nissan Xterra and then a Scion xB... Two weeks ago I couldn't take it anymore and got a Brilliant Silver Touring 6MT and got the windows tinted... Just got off the phone with Tony at Fast Intentions to get some info on the CBE that they have... I'm trying really hard to NOT do anything to this car, but I think I'm fighting a losing battle.

I honestly can say that I don't think I'll drive anything as quick as my EVO IX was. The acceleration was brutal, the steering telepathic AND it had a backseat and a trunk....

The 370 is SUCH a good looking car though that it makes up for the performance differences 95% of the time. I'd be lying if I said I didn't miss the abililty to outperform cars that cost more than double what I had in the Evo... I'm 47 years old and I guess it's time to grow up.... maybe just a little....

They are both great cars with different demographics and application specialties. I say enjoy whichever one you are lucky enough to drive.

Peace,

Tony

Of course you will be eating the Evo's dust - as you put him down a lap ;P

Seriously this is what I don't get. Looks. I could build a Hyundia Pony that would eat an EVO for dinner and cost less. For that matter you could put wheels on a rock with an engine and make a faster car for less money but who cares - it still looks like crap!

There is a guy in town who built a 700HP 350Z. He says it was fun to build but it wasn't any fun to drive any more. HP isn't king....

I didnt read anyone saying this but stock to stock the 370 Z outperforms the EVO X in the straights and on track. Now modded thats the EVO's game to win in terms of performance per dollar ratio. Z just cant compete with that until Nissan decides to give it a factory turbo motor.

Also doesnt the Z have the advantage of runing higher hp with pump gas due to bigger displacement? Small advantage I know:icon23::icon17: I love both these cars so I wont put down either. Looks are subjective but I like the 370z better although I ran a guy with a white X and with his tasteful mods I couldnt keep my eyes off of it. Performance-wise, modded, my wallet would prefer the EVO for ease of modding to exotic beating levels. Z can do just about everything the EVO can do mod for mod but the Z will cost you much more for similar performance.

I just dont see how either side could disrespect the other. Both cars are at the top of the food chain in there class, both stock and modded. Id be happy with either car, though if I did get a X Id suffer from extreme butt envy whenever I saw a 370z from the rear. I love that big, wide buttocks.:eekdance:

The STi is a better car how (besides some of the interior)?

And lol@resale value... you DO realize that the Evo's KBB is HIGHER than the STi's, right ('06, 45k miles, excellent)? Not by much ($1k), but still worth more.

Where do you people get your information from?

Looks are subjective. I love the way Evos look (especially the IX and VI).

I still love driving my damn near 500awhp pump gas Evo FWIW.

lol, umm... maybe because the EVO msrp is 34k, while the STI's is 33, theres your difference. Where do you get your facts old timer? EVO fanboy forums? mmhmm thought so.

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34k msrp? i got my brand new gsr for 31k loaded.

You fail again.

Try $32,990 for an Evo IX and $32,995 for an '06 STi.

Actually, MSRP on the Evo dropped to $31,399 after I bought mine. My window sticker (which I still have) has MSRP at $32,990.

My facts? I get them from Mitsubishi and Subaru. :tiphat:

Dude Red370... are you never tired of being wrong man?