Next Nissan Z Scooped

Chuck33079 · 08-28-2013, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DIGItonium

I'd rather have a modernized 2.4L Inline 6 than a 2.5L Inline 4.

That would be great, but eveyone seems to be moving away from the I6. Isn't BMW the only one left with one?

6spd · 08-28-2013, 08:27 AM

I'd much rather buy an early one with the V6. Torque>turbo lag.

carlitos_370z · 08-28-2013, 08:28 AM

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ElVee · 08-28-2013, 08:46 AM

Meh, bring the Silvia back with a turbo 4, turn the Z into a mini-GTR that sits like it does today but also can compete in the rallye space (WRX STI, Evo...).

Z sales will never cut into GTR sales. They look too different and if someone wants a GTR/speed/torque, they'll buy a GTR, regardless. Nissan's lines aren't anything like Porsche's blurred lines.

Lug · 08-28-2013, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 6spd

I'd much rather buy an early one with the V6. Torque>turbo lag.

You can stack up peak torque much lower in the RPM range with a small turbo, just depends on how you set it up. A couple of smaller turbos are a great way to have your cake and eat it too but costs stack up.

see sequential setup....
Twin-turbo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

6spd · 08-28-2013, 09:49 AM

I still hate the response of turbo motors, twin or not. I used to think "oh turbo = cool" until I started driving so many, now I can't stand it compared to NA.

Lug · 08-28-2013, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 6spd

I still hate the response of turbo motors, twin or not. I used to think "oh turbo = cool" until I started driving so many, now I can't stand it compared to NA.

Go take a test drive in a Focus ST (just ignore the toque steer).

The torque come in so low, you are hard pressed to tell, just gobs of torque right off the bat (max torque at around 2500 RPM). You get that by using a smaller turbo but it pays for it by running out of air over 6K RPM. With the newer setups, especially twin scroll setups, you can almost eliminate the old legacy problems of earlier setups.

Cmike2780 · 08-28-2013, 11:49 AM

Sacrilege I know, but the answer may be to go hybrid drivetrain in conjunction with turbos. Electric motors generate gobs of torque. Only a matter of time before we see the tech in the McLaren P1, LaFerrari & 918 trickle down to us work'n folks.

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-28-2013, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by nismonster

Another article about the new Z....

DailyTech - Report: Nissan's Next Generation "Z" to Go on "EPA Diet", Will Lose 400 Pounds

To me, this sounds like the direction nissan was initially talking about in the Jay Leno interview... I will keep my 370z forever, but will eventually add the 2.5L turbo when it comes out. This is exciting news for me... Good work nissan. If this is true?

Chuck33079 · 08-28-2013, 12:24 PM

If the next Z is 2900 lbs and a 2.5 liter turbo 4 making 300+ hp, it's probably going to walk away from the Z34 in a straight line and in the twisties.

JungleZ · 08-28-2013, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 6spd

I still hate the response of turbo motors, twin or not. I used to think "oh turbo = cool" until I started driving so many, now I can't stand it compared to NA.

And I can't stand the 3.7 rough coarse super linear powerband, at least the turbo 4 banger will put you back in your seat a bit and get 20mpg guaranteed.

Chuck33079 · 08-28-2013, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

And I can't stand the 3.7 rough coarse super linear powerband,

Here we go again.

How many times do we have to ban this fuckwit before he is permabanned?

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-28-2013, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

A 330 hp turbo 4 would be too strung out from the factory? Better tell those Evo guys running 400whp on the stock motor with a turbo swap. A turbo swap isn't a big deal. Certainly nothing to worry about assuming the motor is stout enough, you get the right supporting mods and a good tune.

There's no way to say that the motor is maxed out until some tuners get ahold of one and turn up the boost. It could be a beast of a motor that can take a lot of boost and punishment. It could be one of those that self destructs at factory power levels. We won't know until that first group of buyers blow theirs up.

I'm not sure what you did to your WRX, but my 04 STI had 380 ft/lbs of torque at 3400 rpm. It's not a Chevy 350, but that's still a lot of torque. Between that much torque under 4k rpm and the fact that is spooled up quick, you didn't really have to rev it much to pass someone.

I want the Z to remain a V6, but a turbo 4 would be fine too if the 2900 lb curb weight happened. Given how poorly the Z sells, I seriously doubt they're going to go too far from an engine that's shared across platforms. They're not going to reinvent the wheel for a car that's been selling <10k units annually. My guess is another revision of the VQ, maybe with DI, and a lighter chassis. To be honest, I'm kinda shocked we're getting a Z35 given how badly the Z34 has sold.

AMEN!!! Preach on brother...

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-28-2013, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

And I can't stand the 3.7 rough coarse super linear powerband, at least the turbo 4 banger will put you back in your seat a bit and get 20mpg guaranteed.

You can't guarantee 20mpg's. Many hyundai 2.0GT gencoupes get 18mpg's.
Manual Scion FR-S seeing 18mpg's??? How can you guarantee mpg's when the car isnt out yet?

Secondly, if you want to get thrown back in your seat. Shift above 5200rpm. Try 5700rpm. I have no problems throwing my seat back. it's just it takes driving skill to do so in the Z. You gotta harness the power. It's not just there.

DIGItonium · 08-28-2013, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

That would be great, but eveyone seems to be moving away from the I6. Isn't BMW the only one left with one?

Yea, I wouldn't want to see the I6 become a dying breed. The only issue I can think of with the I6 is the location of the power steering components versus the headers on the engine. I think that was the case with the prior GT-Rs. It's too expensive having to deal with RHD and LHD vehicles.

08-28-2013, 08:27 AM	#92 (permalink)
6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,001 Drives: Q50RS Rep Power: 24	I'd much rather buy an early one with the V6. Torque>turbo lag. __________________ -Jay- jonathanjamesphotographer.com

08-28-2013, 08:46 AM	#94 (permalink)
ElVee Track Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Iowa Posts: 750 Drives: 13 370z 7at t+s grey Rep Power: 16	Meh, bring the Silvia back with a turbo 4, turn the Z into a mini-GTR that sits like it does today but also can compete in the rallye space (WRX STI, Evo...). Z sales will never cut into GTR sales. They look too different and if someone wants a GTR/speed/torque, they'll buy a GTR, regardless. Nissan's lines aren't anything like Porsche's blurred lines. 6spd and carlitos_370z like this.

08-28-2013, 09:49 AM	#96 (permalink)
6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,001 Drives: Q50RS Rep Power: 24	I still hate the response of turbo motors, twin or not. I used to think "oh turbo = cool" until I started driving so many, now I can't stand it compared to NA. __________________ -Jay- jonathanjamesphotographer.com

08-28-2013, 11:49 AM	#98 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 29	Sacrilege I know, but the answer may be to go hybrid drivetrain in conjunction with turbos. Electric motors generate gobs of torque. Only a matter of time before we see the tech in the McLaren P1, LaFerrari & 918 trickle down to us work'n folks. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

08-28-2013, 12:24 PM	#100 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	If the next Z is 2900 lbs and a 2.5 liter turbo 4 making 300+ hp, it's probably going to walk away from the Z34 in a straight line and in the twisties. UNKNOWN_370 likes this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

08-28-2013, 08:28 AM	#93 (permalink)
carlitos_370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 7,157 Drives: 13 Nissan 370Z SP M6 Rep Power: 7585	subscribed

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