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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang Anyone who tries to call them a sports car is out of their mind. They are boy-racer econoboxes... just like STis and EVOs and SRT-4s. Yeah,

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Old 08-04-2009, 08:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Anyone who tries to call them a sports car is out of their mind. They are boy-racer econoboxes... just like STis and EVOs and SRT-4s. Yeah, they are fast... but they are still nothing more than tuned econoboxes. Not knocking on them, that's just the way it is.
you forget that the STi and Evo are RALLY "RACE" cars that are also sold to the public.. they were built FIRST to race and are built around the rules for rally. Also they are currently the fastest cars in TIME attack. now the SRT-4 has no such haritage so i'll agree with you there. Why you hatten?
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you forget that the STi and Evo are RALLY "RACE" cars that are also sold to the public.. they were built FIRST to race and are built around the rules for rally. Also they are currently the fastest cars in TIME attack. now the SRT-4 has no such haritage so i'll agree with you there. Why you hatten?
Exactyl - RALLY race.... totally different set up than an on-road race...
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Why do people keep on calling the MS3 GT a sports car? Its a compact car pure and simple. Same for the MS6... Hell, ill even go as far as agreeing that it could be called a sports compact car but it sure as hell isnt a sports car. The S-2000 could be called a sports car. The RX-7 could be called a sports car i think but never the MS3 or the MS3 GT.
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This may be off topic for this thread anymore, but does anyone know what type of bolt-ons could I use (without canceling the warranty) to bring the torque up to 300+lb on the Z? Also how much would it be including the install?
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You want low end torque without the turbo feel then you should be looking at a Mustang.
The Z is going to be smooth through the entire RPM range, I just got my car dynoed last night, fully stock, and the HP curve is so smooth; you will not get that jump feel you get with a turbo.

You will not get a 370z sports car in the sub 3,000 range without tearing it apart. Forged just tore a 370z apart and got it down to 2515 without any seats or sound dampening, add back in some weight for seats and other parts and they will be under 3,000 but not in a street legal car.
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THE QUEST FOR THE PERFECT CAR.
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WARNING - may be offensive to Z fans, but may be worth a read.

So here it goes for those who care, a review from another racer wanna-be who spent a lot of time researching and test driving in the quest for the perfect car:.....
LOL - are you serious? This is just outright trolling. You came over to a 370Z enthusist web page to say their car sucks and the M3 GT is better (I'm talking Mazda not Bimmer)? You mention all these other cars that are actually slower and praise them then say the fastest car of the bunch was disapointing because it "felt" slower. Wow. Please bring your smack down to the track - the slow 370Z vs your uber machine. Then you can feel fast in your car while the slow Z tail lights disapear around the next bend.... don't worry you can check out the head lights when you get put down a lap.... but all at the same time feeling faster in your car. You know like the Star Wars ride at Disney Land where it "feels" like you are flying in a space ship when your seat is only moving a few inches.

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The only car that is even in the same league is the Porsche...anyone who would purcahse a RX8,Mazda speed 3, or S2000 over the 370Z isnt looking for a sports car.
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Mook, you should test drive a VW GTI, you appear like a GTI kind of person, tossing, German etc.
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This thread is pretty funny when you sit down and read it for a while. My only conclusion is that the op has a small Prick that only engorges at the expenses ruffling other peoples feathers with statements that are complete nonsense.



Anyway I won't bother you anymore OP. I'm sure you and your Kia Sephia have a nice afternoon of high speed thrill rides through the rocky mountains.

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Im surprised you guys gave mook 3 pages. Only one reason someone makes an account on a forum about a car he doesnt own or want and proceeds to pan it against obviously inferior cars [RX-8, MS3, S2K]. Why not just buy your Cayman S or MS3 and have fun. Whats the point of coming here?

Why not go to Cayman S/MS3/RX-8 boards and say this as they would love it. Coming here to say this is really pointless as we have guys that have owned or still own these cars. So your imput wasnt needed at all though from what you wrote you seem to think we needed to hear your perspective hence your signing up to impart your knowledge. No hard feelings but please stop hiding behind your fake altruistic reason for posting this.
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wow haha now i see why live chat would have sucked.. this would have destroyed it. its awesome he has an opinion about a car, and its even more amazing that u guys have an opinion over his opinion, in the end no one wins. its like having fights about who has the better game console, or bigger house, or whitest white tee's. in the end its all still opinion, and last time i checked opinions are "NOT" facts. ima type it one more time in case someone didnt catch it the first time "NOT" facts. i cant believe i sat down and read all these posts one by one haha.

now lets the man drive his mazda, let the other guy drive his s2k, the other guy drive his porsche, and u guys can continue to drive ur 370zs.. wooooow
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wow haha now i see why live chat would have sucked.. this would have destroyed it. its awesome he has an opinion about a car, and its even more amazing that u guys have an opinion over his opinion, in the end no one wins. its like having fights about who has the better game console, or bigger house, or whitest white tee's. in the end its all still opinion, and last time i checked opinions are "NOT" facts. ima type it one more time in case someone didnt catch it the first time "NOT" facts. i cant believe i sat down and read all these posts one by one haha.

now lets the man drive his mazda, let the other guy drive his s2k, the other guy drive his porsche, and u guys can continue to drive ur 370zs.. wooooow
Exactly. Why get so defensive about the car you think is great just because someone does not agree with you, unless you got a reason for it, which apparently you don't.
Wonder how much weight could be stripped out of the car easily without screwing up a good thing (CF hood, replacing seats with something lighter, etc). Would be awesome to lighten up the front end to get closer to 50/50.
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I wouldnt waste my money on a Porsche Cayman. I owned a 2004 Viper SRT-10 before my current ride and I can tell you I would eat just about any car for lunch... and Caymans werent even worth wasting my gas on. You can get a Gen III Viper now from the mid 30's and up depending on the year, mods, and miles. To spend $40,000 on anything else would be a waste of money. You would be getting half the car, it would depreciate quickly (were a Viper wont), and you wouldnt even come close to a Viper on the track or on the street. Not to mention they only HAND BUILD 1200-1600 of them a year. Hell my Jeep SRT-8 will spank just about anything Mook listed... and it weighs 5,000 pounds!
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I wouldnt waste my money on a Porsche Cayman. I owned a 2004 Viper SRT-10 before my current ride and I can tell you I would eat just about any car for lunch... and Caymans werent even worth wasting my gas on. You can get a Gen III Viper now from the mid 30's and up depending on the year, mods, and miles. To spend $40,000 on anything else would be a waste of money. You would be getting half the car, it would depreciate quickly (were a Viper wont), and you wouldnt even come close to a Viper on the track or on the street. Not to mention they only HAND BUILD 1200-1600 of them a year. Hell my Jeep SRT-8 will spank just about anything Mook listed... and it weighs 5,000 pounds!
So how do you get a $100K car that doesn't depreciate for $40K???????
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