wow haha now i see why live chat would have sucked.. this would have destroyed it. its awesome he has an opinion about a car, and its even more amazing that u guys have an opinion over his opinion, in the end no one wins. its like having fights about who has the better game console, or bigger house, or whitest white tee's. in the end its all still opinion, and last time i checked opinions are "NOT" facts. ima type it one more time in case someone didnt catch it the first time "NOT" facts. i cant believe i sat down and read all these posts one by one haha.

now lets the man drive his mazda, let the other guy drive his s2k, the other guy drive his porsche, and u guys can continue to drive ur 370zs.. wooooow

I wouldnt waste my money on a Porsche Cayman. I owned a 2004 Viper SRT-10 before my current ride and I can tell you I would eat just about any car for lunch... and Caymans werent even worth wasting my gas on. You can get a Gen III Viper now from the mid 30's and up depending on the year, mods, and miles. To spend $40,000 on anything else would be a waste of money. You would be getting half the car, it would depreciate quickly (were a Viper wont), and you wouldnt even come close to a Viper on the track or on the street. Not to mention they only HAND BUILD 1200-1600 of them a year. Hell my Jeep SRT-8 will spank just about anything Mook listed... and it weighs 5,000 pounds!

So how do you get a $100K car that doesn't depreciate for $40K???????

Exactyl - RALLY race.... totally different set up than an on-road race...

Nissan USA - Nissan Cars, Hybrid, Trucks, Crossovers, SUVs - take a look at the J.D. Power And Associates quote under the Z.
lol
Sorry could not resist, I know it's an attempt keep the insurance costs down

bolt-ons
 

This may be off topic for this thread anymore, but does anyone know what type of bolt-ons could I use (without canceling the warranty) to bring the torque up to 300+lb on the Z? Also how much would it be including the install?

Obviously he hasn't driven my Z.

After reading through these 5 long pages, I feel like I need to submit my own opinion to tamper some of the dissention going on here. I currently drive a Mazdaspeed 3 (not a Mazda 3, like some have posted, that is a completely different car) and I carpool with a friend who drives an 06 Porsche Cayman S. I have also test driven and been looking at the 370Z.

I have driven all three of these cars. I am considering buying a 370Z which is why I am on this forum, and I am not "TROLLING" like Mook has been accused of. I do have to agree with Mook on the point that the Mazdaspeed3 (with minor bolt-ons makes close to 300 bhp) "feels" a bit faster than the 370Z and Cayman S because of the extra torque and more linear power delivery. However, the Cayman S is the better car (and faster car, though it did run a slower lap time than my MS3 at the autocross :). I've enjoyed driving the Porsche because of the RWD, and for that reason I test drove the Z recently, and have been considering trading in my Mazdaspeed3 for that car. It is mainly a function of having the rear wheel drive. As far as motor is concerned, I still prefer the MS3 motor (keeping in mind that I do have the bolt-on intake and midpipe which makes some extra power) because of the sheer wave of torque that it produces. But I like the RWD of the Z, and the shorter wheel base and handling characteristics. So overall I'm torn, and am having a difficult time choosing.

There seems to be a pretty biased feeling of superiority among Z owners against other manufacturers like Mazda, Honda, etc. The Mazdaspeed3 IS a great sports car; if you don't agree, check out the reviews on Automobile and Car and Driver. "This is a sports car folks, hang on and enjoy it," are the words from one article that I remember best. I know Z owners feel like they are in a different league, but you're still talking about cars that fall into the 25K to 30K price range and offer similar power to weight numbers. The Z is not a Ferrari and it is still a logical competitor against cars like the MS3 and WRX, STI, G37, Evo, etc. 30K will buy you any one of these cars.

I had dismissed the Z previously because the 350 was a slower car than the MS3 as far as power to weight and track times are concerned. But I love that the new 370Z is lighter AND stronger. So I am back in the market. But I just want to shed some light on this argument, and remember, never underestimate the competition!

Not doubting the power you can get out of a MS3, but it is not a sports car by definition. Also, the Z is not a 25-30k car, it is a 30-40k car, and you cannot get a G37 or EVO (not sure on STi) for 30k.

The bias is because you are on a Z board, but at the same time you are trying to compare a Turbo style car to a NA car, which is going to feel different and drive differently.

The truth is the MazdaSpeed3 is really in the same league as the VW GTi, Honda Civic Si, Dodge Caliber STR-4, Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec etc.
Why are people comparing a 370Z to these sport compacts? FWD vs RWD
If Mazda placed the 2.3L DOHC DISI Turbo w/263hp in the MX-5, then “Trolls” might something to BS about!

+1

I think I'm going to go post on the GT-R forums and debate how a 370z "feels" faster, handles better, and is overall a better car.

Because we all know they are in the same class and are basically the same car...amirite?

Lets not let the fact that they are totally different get in the way.

Still, I think many people, including me, would prefer 370Z over GT-R for the street and not just because of the price difference.

:tiphat: Exactly. Why get so defensive about the car you think is great just because someone does not agree with you, unless you got a reason for it, which apparently you don't.
Wonder how much weight could be stripped out of the car easily without screwing up a good thing (CF hood, replacing seats with something lighter, etc). Would be awesome to lighten up the front end to get closer to 50/50.