Z in the rain and snow

[bigaudiofanat]

So I am just thinking I have only owned front wheel drive cars, and a truck for a little while. I was wondering how bad the z's are in the snow and rain?

[kannibul]

Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat

So I am just thinking I have only owned front wheel drive cars, and a truck for a little while. I was wondering how bad the z's are in the snow and rain?

Leave the traction control on, and rain should be OK...that said, don't drive stupid, and you won't have anything to worry about.

Snow...anyone's guess. With it being as low to the ground as it is, I won't be driving it come winter...Oklahoma doesn't salt/sand/plow much on anything but the highways and the mayor's driveway, and it heats up just enough to turn all snow on the roads to a 1-2" thick block of ice.

[GMZ]

Rain is fine as long as you dont get crazy, but forget snow right now.

[bigaudiofanat]

True I will probably use the civic in the snow come winter and all that.

[GMZ]

Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat

True I will probably use the civic in the snow come winter and all that.

If you were on plowed level roads with some good winter/AS tires it might be doable. But factoring in other crappy drivers and salt Id rather ride my mtn bike

[Island_370]

If it snows here, we all have WAY more to worry about. 8-).

That said, I know people in Chicago (old home) that have easily tamed M3's with good winter tires and a careful right foot.

[spearfish25]

Originally Posted by Island_370

If it snows here, we all have WAY more to worry about. 8-).

That said, I know people in Chicago (old home) that have easily tamed M3's with good winter tires and a careful right foot.

Hey! Are you in San Juan? I was down there in the beginning of June and saw a red 370Z parked right near the beach by the Mariott and La Concha hotels. Any chance it was yours?

I have a 370Z in Chicago and bought a set of winter tires to fit the 19" sport rims. We'll see how it goes, but it will be my daily driver all winter as well. In rain, I've had zero problems. You can break it loose more easily with heavy throttle, but driving normally I've had no problems at all with handling or grip. At this point, rain is definitely a non-issue. Snow is yet to be decided with the snow tires.

[bigaudiofanat]

Well we in NJ get some snow once in a while a lot of snow but usually about 3 inches. But as I said the civic will be better.

[Forrest]

Originally Posted by kannibul

Leave the traction control on, and rain should be OK...that said, don't drive stupid, and you won't have anything to worry about.

Snow...anyone's guess. With it being as low to the ground as it is, I won't be driving it come winter...Oklahoma doesn't salt/sand/plow much on anything but the highways and the mayor's driveway, and it heats up just enough to turn all snow on the roads to a 1-2" thick block of ice.

i agree dont drive like a dumbass. When it rains and the speed limit is 65, you will find me going 55. I could drive 65 no problem but i dont feel like risking it. The z is pretty low to the ground and i suspect the hyrodplane is increased due to it wont take as much water to fill the gap between your car and the road.

[spearfish25]

Originally Posted by Forrest

i agree dont drive like a dumbass. When it rains and the speed limit is 65, you will find me going 55. I could drive 65 no problem but i dont feel like risking it. The z is pretty low to the ground and i suspect the hyrodplane is increased due to it wont take as much water to fill the gap between your car and the road.

Dude, hydroplaning is a phenomenon of water filling the gap between the TIRE and the road. It's effected by your tread depth and tire design mainly. The car's clearance has nothing to do with it...you'd have to be in a goddamn flood for the car's clearance to be a problem. Then you'd be floating, not hydroplaning.

I've routinely done 80mph on the highway in fairly heavy rain. The car handles beautifully.

[bigaudiofanat]

Originally Posted by spearfish25

Dude, hydroplaning is a phenomenon of water filling the gap between the TIRE and the road. It's effected by your tread depth and tire design mainly. The car's clearance has nothing to do with it...you'd have to be in a goddamn flood for the car's clearance to be a problem. Then you'd be floating, not hydroplaning.

I've routinely done 80mph on the highway in fairly heavy rain. The car handles beautifully.

X2 I agree

[Mergnthwirker]

Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat

So I am just thinking I have only owned front wheel drive cars, and a truck for a little while. I was wondering how bad the z's are in the snow and rain?

I disagree with most of these opinions. There's really no reason not to drive the Z in winter if you and your car are prepared.

A number of the local car clubs run winter driving schools. I went with my daughter a couple of times and it was really worthwhile. We did skid pads on ice, and a road course, some braking exercises, and ice driving (with big snowbanks if you lost control). The one we went to in Franconia New Hampshire was sponsored by the Audi Quattro Club but there were a number of FWD, AWD and RWD cars there. A great chance to learn what you can and cannot do with your car in the winter.

Surprisingly, RWD with limited slip did quite well and was huge fun on the skidpad. The key thing is not to suddenly lift off on the gas when the rear end starts to slide out. Hard to do if you are used to driving front wheel drive, but once you learn to keep your foot in it and steer your way out of trouble, you can get great control. I strongly suggest that you get the feel for it before venturing out with the Z on roads with poor traction, especially if you are only used to driving FWD vehicles.

As long as you have the tires for it, the Z can work well in the winter. If you have it, the LSD on the Sport package is also a real advantage compared to traction control, especially when it comes to getting up hills. Traction control works by braking the opposite wheel to transfer torque, but you don't want any braking when you are trying to climb a slippery hill. Winter driving was the main reason we bought a Z with the sport package (and we wish the LSD was a bit faster-acting, more like a Quaife, but that's another topic).

If you do a lot of winter driving, you should carry some auxiliary stuff, like a nylon tow strap, and maybe some kitty litter for traction to help you get out of low traction situations like a driveway, or a ditch, if you do lose it

The other key thing for the Z is that you really MUST have full winter tires, and maybe even studs for the winter. Around here, where we get a lot of snow, we refer to all-season tires as "NO season tires." Size down and get some cheap 18" wheels and 225-18 snows and you should do well.

In fact, the only real problems (as others have said) are the other crazies on the road, and ground clearance on unplowed streets. With a bit of training and the right equipment, you'll be fine.

Hope this helps,

HJM

[bigaudiofanat]

Thanks for that write up, I know that Porsche's owners do it a lot.

[Mergnthwirker]

Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat

Thanks for that write up, I know that Porsche's owners do it a lot.

Yup, when I was in college in upstate NY I used to drive a clapped-out 356B Porsche coupe. I always knew I was in trouble when the guy in the backseat passed me.

On one memorable occasion I did two 360's in the middle of the Tappan Zee Bridge crossing the Hudson River. Didn't hit anything and continued on in the direction I was going. All was fine except for the new stains in my underwear...

But Porsche's have a real advantage for traction with the engine over the drive wheels. They go better and brake better in snow than we do.

[Robert_Nash]

I disagreement with your disagreement.

I lived through a decade of winter one year in Chicago when I had a (at the time brand new) 1973 Formula 400 Firebird. It, and cars like it have to be about the worst possible vehicle to have in snow....rear wheel drive; lot's of HP/Tqu and with more weight on the front end than the rear (where you need it for traction)...I survived it but I'd never do it again; at least not willingly.

Can a 370 be a year-round car even in the snow belt? Of course.

It won't be fun but it can be done - if you've got other options I'd use them

Rain is also something people should be mindful of...the tires on the Z
are WIDE tires and really only truly good in dry, summer conditions...it doesn't take much water for you to hydroplane right off the road and what's even worst is that you'll probably never know until your in the ditch so please folks, SLOW DOWN when it rains and arrive alive (and without need of a tow).