What a joke....You cherry pick one sentence out....I said if there are witness to the fact that you slammed on your Brakes to cause an accident, you will fix your own car.....I don't tailgate, so nice try is assuming that I do....

If you are witnessed by a third party slamming on your Brakes for no reason other than to cause an accident, it is road rage...And you will fix your own car at the very least..

But truly nice try trying to cherry pick one sentence...:icon14:

Lol, well for one thing if someone is tailgating me I'm not going to slam on my brakes anyways... I don't want them smashing into my car!! Even though it would be their fault and their insurance has to cover it, you still have a smashed up car.

A good question would be, "Is it legal to intentionally cause an accident " ?

If a third party witnesses it , then the court will decide...They will have to prove intent...If the third party witness that has no Dog in the fight, says that you were mad,aka, Road rage, be prepared to fix your own car...

And for sure it is childish to brake check someone...That means they got under your thin skin....

From what I understand, the tailgater will cited for following too close, but the police, if they have an independent witness, can arrest you for reckless driving for Intentionally causing an accident due to road rage....

In Texas you'd be cited for improper stopping if you intentionally brake check someone and cause an accident.

Talked to my daughter who is a cop, slamming on your brakes without reason is illegal, and if it can be proven that there was no reason to slamm the brakes, the one running into will be at no fault! Will end up in court with lots of lawyer bills for either side I guess, so not it's not worth it.

Yeah, insurance scammers are notorious for this.

It sounds like to me if, one is tailgating and the other slams brakes, they are both at fault hence cancelling each other out. So they would be both at fault. The second ticket would be given to the tailgater. Which is also ILLEGAL! :p

Anyway fvck aggressive pickup trucks. Engine braking, no law against that. :tiphat:

Great debate guys. All points valid. :tup:

But what is the witness going to say? You were driving then suddenly slammed on your brakes?

What if a rabbit or other small animal ran out on the road and the witness didn't see it?
What if you thought you saw a small animal out on the road and slammed on your brakes?

You can't possibly tell me that you can be held liable for something that you have no control over.

Now if you were to cut someone off because they cut you off than brake check them, the party who rear ended you will have a case. But someone can not be held liable for just slamming on their brakes and being rear ended by a tailgater.

Oh and I really don't care if I cherry pick one statement, you posted an incorrect statement and I am correcting you

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oh and FYI, i only quoted that sentence because i agreed with the rest of your post, if you brake check someone, you would be at fault because you attempted to cause an accident, but slamming your brakes in its own is not illegal

Go for it Luigi...Slam on your brakes if you get tailgated....I will wait for your thread, "just got my Z totaled"... What is the witness going to say ? " Nothing was around and the front car was angry because it was being tailgated, so they slammed on the brakes to cause an accident. ". That IS illegal...It can be called reckless driving....maybe read the post above from a person who talked to a cop....

And then if you try to lie and say you saw an animal when the witness knows you were in a road rage, that is insurance fraud...Lying to your insurance to prove a point to the tailgater...Good luck with that....

Don't get your panties in a bunch....The next tailgater will make you angry soon enough...

I guess Luigi doesn't believe this....

keep calm and ignore trucks

I have gotten to an age where I move over a lane and let them go if I am in the 370Z.

Also I have a Full size Truck and never tailgate....It isn't worth the hassle of possible injury, insurance claims, etc....

I agree with the keep calm when driving...I drove for a living for 27 years...There are lunatics out there and some with no insurance...Not worth it...Let them go...Sooner or later they will crash...:tiphat:

Great assumption, I totally get pissed when someone tails me /sarcasm.

I don't know about you but I just move over for dicks who want to drive wrecklessly.

What I said is true and you know it, the driver thought he saw something in the road and slammed on his brakes to keep themselves and their passengers safe and someone rear ended them because they were behind them at an unsafe distance, they will not and never will be at fault.

And if anyone has their jimmies russled, it would be you because I already said it, causing an accident on purpose is illegal, but slamming on your brakes isn't. If you haven't even picked on that by now than I really don't know what to say anymore

I'm done replying to you now. You're wasting my time with your impubescent logic and pitiful arguments.

Straight line drag race?

No, but depending on power/weight for his specific model, it might be close. The Z is almost certainly better geared and will have better traction.

Any cornering?

No. The truck will probably roll unless it has been substantially modified for turning and braking.

Towing?

You will lose your shirt.

So, no bets on towing capacity.

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, causing an accident on purpose is illegal, but slamming on your brakes isn't.


Well your words tell the story.....If you slam on your brakes on purpose to brake check someone and cause and accident, it is illegal..

What you say is not true.... The fact is You are fabricating a story about having to stop suddenly to save your passengers...Since your comprehension is bad, I said, if an Independent witness says you were angry and in Road rage, they will believe the witness and your lies to your insurance and the Police are also illegal..

Boy you have zero comprehension skills... You don't know about me ? Read the unedited post above yours.....I move over for people...

You just agreed with me....Causing an accident on purpose is Illegal...NO Matter HOW you do it.....If you slam on your brakes on Purpose to cause the accident, YOU will fix your own car....No matter what you think, because it is apparent, you aren't ....Too funny. You are amusing...Wrong, but amusing...

Yes don't respond.. This thread is not about what you or I think...It is about a Ram Hemi thinking it can beat a 370Z..It can't...

EDIT...Funny I found a few cases of Road rage where the front car slammed on its brakes to deal with a tailgater....They were charged with Murder for Killing the people in the Tailgaters car......For slamming on their brakes....Other articles the car that slammed on its brakes to back off the tailgater were charged criminally and in Civil Court with assault and got no recovery for the damage to their car....Sorry Luigi....It isn't MY opinion...This is from a Criminal and Civil Attorney who specializes in Personal Injury...

its all in how you state it to the officer. If you say, "Saw a deer run out in front of you and you tried to stop" and the guy behind you was deliberately tailgatinging (after you tapped your brakes once as a warning) then the court might ask the truck driver why he ingored the first warning and made the decision to use his vehicle as a weapon; putting both himself and the other driver at risk... As the driver of the Z you just say you don't know anything about the guy behind you... Saw an animal run out in front of me and I hit the brakes to slow down. The tailgating dumb *** hit me; even after I had tapped my brakes once before to warn them.

....or put a video recorder in the back window and take the recording down to the local majestrate....with that kind of evidence, they usually issue a summons...its worked real nice for me in VA. It helped our majetrate take a few of these tuck fards off the road; for ever. :tup:

This is why I'm an independent and don't align with republicans or democrats. When you align. You become one sided. One sided people will argue one point without seeing another. Not getting political but that example is based on the type of droned thinking we see on the forum.
This brake check thing has a lot of variables and a huge grey area. But extremist mentalities only see black and white.
This argument is like having two armed men with guns. One kills the other. There were no witnesses and the survivor claims self defense.

People like bucket will call him a murderer before finding out what possible evidence is available, or the variables. Not worth it bruh. :tiphat:

I have to say I hate Tailgaters and I am not one of them. Any Car especially large trucks that tailgate suck....My posts were directed at Luigi who said I was making up laws...I didn't...If an Independent witness says you purposely slammed on your brakes because you were mad, then you better have a front Camera that can prove the deer ran out, or as stated by an attorney, you will be fixing your own Car..

The Attorney states that if you purposely slam on your brakes and it was from anger, you will be the one who used your car as a weapon...This attorney has gotten convictions of assault on the front car... It is not a cut and dry case...Unless you have two cameras at the time of the accident. And no independent witness.. Also remember you are stating that all you have to do is Lie....:icon14: To the police and your insurance...A crime ..

And I am not defending tailgaters...They suck...My original post stated that slamming on your brakes for the sole reason of responding to a tailgater is a crime is accurate...People have been convicted of assault...That is just my way of warning you guys that it may not turn out like you want it to...But good for you on the camera...Get one for the front and you have it all covered...

And last why would anyone slam their brakes on a tailgater in a Z car ? That is just looking for a bad accident. Especially a large truck...

Ok. I agree that causing the accident is not ideal; especially in a Z.
I was simply making a point that if you articulate your response correctly, you may not look like the guy who slammed on his brakes. And perhaps the deer scenario was a poor one. Perhaps, let the tuck fard keep riding you and let up off the gas. This way if he tails you and taps your car, you could say that you were adjusting your distance between you and the car in front of you. I believe the law holds the second car accountable to adjust his/her speed to adjust to traffic. If they couldn't, then it would indicate what? That they were tailgating. Either way causing an accident is not ideal, but neither is making a conscious decision to purposely tailgate someone. As far as court goes...

In my above statement, one might be not telling the truth, but don't assume that in the real world, neither the other driver nor the po-po is going to be honest. When you go to court you have an OPPORTUNITY for justice; doesn't mean you will get it; just because you told the truth and did all the right things. Just a thought...Not recommending you cause an accident, but just recognize its in the presentation... :tiphat:

This reminds me of a story from fairly recently as I was traveling through the great state of ALLEERRBAMMMEERR (College Football capital of the world. Roll Tide and War Cam.)

I was driving one of my many performance cars in my possession. I have so many small performance cars. Some people from the south tend to think I cannot handle a large vehicle since I have so many small "zippy" cars. "Cute little toys" they were.

On this particular day, I needed gas. I stopped at this hybrid gas station/truck stop. On one side, you could gas up normal vehicles, and on the other side, you could fuel your vehicle of choice for a work truck that may or may not be used in the Mexican cartels.

I opted to prepay and go inside. There aren't very many people at this truckstop, so the two guys inside with beards, mesh-backed hats, and sleeveless flannel shirts were pointing to my Z and chuckling (the redneck chuckle that could sometimes be mistaken for a small child hyperventilating on the playground after a rough game of tag). The one that looked like he was a love child between a dude on Duck Dynasty and Larry the Cable Guy approached me first.

"I HAVE TRUCK. YOU HAVE TINY CAR. I WANT TO GO FAST. YOU WANT TO GO FAST BUT NOT FAST AS TRUCK. TINY MAN."

Thankfully, my primary occupation is that of a translator for a major consultant firm, and I specialize in 17 different languages. To my advantage, one of those languages is "retarded *** redneck". I interpreted his infantile sentence formulation as a sort of challenge to my Z with whatever truck he was driving. I quickly scrambled for a rebuttal which would satisfy his truck-driver-complex but also avoid completely eluding the peak of this man's mental capacities.

"NOPE," I replied. "YOU WIN."

Upon his realization that I could perhaps predict the future, and the future appeared to favor his wildest aspirations, he was completely stunned and speechless. I handed him a piece of beef jerky, got my gasoline, and moved on with my life.

I have wanted to make an 8 X 10 inch sign that says that very thing for years now. If someone wants to race... just hold the sign up.









Because street racing is illigal

What do you think about "YOU WIN" as a vanity plate?

Too funny....I said IF an independent witness sees it, you will be at fault if it was road rage... I did not say it was a cut and dry case....And the murderer ? It was someone who was Convicted of slamming on their Brakes..

Some people like Unknown will post without reading...I never said it was cut and dry...And I never called anyone a Murderer.. The court did.

Your funniest words are saying you weren't being Political and yet bringing Politics and extremists into the argument.. Pretty lame....But expected..

But thanks for being One sided and yet saying you aren't...You are always amusing.. Wrong, but amusing....

Oh and YOU WIN....

Maybe I'm a pussy, but I wouldn't want to brake check somebody into buying me a new car even if it were legal and I'd come out ahead cost-wise. Wrecks hurt. With my luck, my replacement car if I pulled that kind of stunt would be a cripplevan with hand controls.

Amen...Just move over and let them go....They are usually frustrated Drivers with way more problems than just tailgating...I see them all the time..:tiphat:

Imagine if we all drove airplanes instead of cars, it'd be a nightmare in the skies lol

Haha...If the Guy started to tailgate you, the Jet wash would spin him out of the sky...No brake check needed...:tiphat:

Dude...I couldn't stop laughing..."To my advantage, one of those languages is "retarded *** redneck". "- where I live, its called Tuck Fard...but same concept...awesome..

All in all, this comes down to Accountability. When a driver makes the decision to ignore their responsibilities it makes us want to REMIND them of it. For me, a nice discourse with a .45 barrell through their front teeth usually makes a great point, however, they usually cry and piss on themselves...but hey, I'm not recommending it...Just saying its an option....(in some countries)

does that mean im a yellow neck then??? im asian who farms in the desert here in socal...:icon17:

Yellow neck? LOL. could be, but farming is not a joke. That's freak'n hard work...got to respect any farmer...:tiphat:

also known as peckerwood, hillbilly, bumpkin, turdkicker, goat roper, cracker, I got more but I'd need a minute.

Look out we got a big man that likes to point guns at people.

Yeah, dudes gotta slow that gun BS down. They act like there arent other dudes with guns that wouldn't call that Fake azz pull out intimidation bluff. Then when they get caught by surprise and the other guy, that got the 45 pulled on him, turns around empties out in there fvckin face. Guy won't see jail cuz douche thought it was kool to pull out his ".45" for intimidation purposes.

Azzholes like that are the reason democrats push for gun control. We need idiot control, not gun control. :shakes head:

If you make me draw mine, it's going off 13 times. Only pull it if you have to use it.

This thread got off topic quickly...

This may be the worst thread in the history of the forums.