I am so surprised this thread hasn't exploded into a flamewar. Keep it up folks.
* I do agree with most of the AMG, M and -F and RS comments for sure, but I dont think we havent look that far. Even STI and EVO owners get a BIG upgrade from their normal bretheren and they aren't excessively more expensive. * When engineers design a car to be used as a track car and then negate the whole process by not putting the correct cooling on it, then they have failed and the whole car is a failure. * If the car is not designed for track use, but has been branded and marketed as such then this is what we call marketing. For folks who want to feel like racers, but arent. Don't tell me you want a race car for the street because that wont go well. * One could argue that it is a better starting point to build upon because the chassis is stiffer, but then.. I have a feeling you're going to lose that argument when someone slaps you with the price difference over base. * Not enough difference to call it a new model either as almost everything is the same. So what you have here then is either: A) a failure to create a more focused track car or B) a shameless use of the NISMO brand by Nissan who needed a few bucks in this economy and decided to give a lot less for more $. I think its the latter...they are using Nismo fans and diehards who love the brand.. As someone mentioned before...the NISMO model we just got was supposed to be the "track" trim for the 370Z. Seeing where the economy was, Nissan decided that all the R&D money that went into that car would probably be lost if they priced it like they have previous year track models. So the smart folks at Nissan decide to slap a nismo badge, a body kit and a nice $10k Markup. But hey, thats just my theory. |
well said Fric-Frac
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Good discussion.
I would have been a buyer for a $45K well prepared 370z setup from the factory for the track. But I would want it to be more like a race car that you just have to strip and cage... barely street legal, essentially how mine is now. I think a lot of the parts that have been mentioned are good, and some of them would be comparable or just a bit more for nissan to source vs the current set. In addition to what has been mentioned, I'd want it to include: - weight transfer to rear for more like 52/48 - single mass flywheel - 1.5 way rear diff... I'm really digging the carbonetic, very 'street-able' - more gauge options |
this kinda reminds me of the new Corvette Grand Sport coming out real soon. Its pretty much a regular C6 corvette with Z06 brakes, suspensions and wider body panels..all for around 55k..supposedly it would be the fastest car under 60k..I wished the Nismo could compete at the Grand Sport's level...even if they slapped on some cookie sized turbos like the ones on the 335i...it would make some great results!!!
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it would be nice if nissan has something closer to the GT-R in performace with a 6-spd. That is the killer for me. A Nismo 370 Turbo in the 60-65k range/ or 400ish N/A , i dont think would compete to much with the GT-R.. I know a lot of ppl that love the GT-R and what it can do but just cant give up that manual so they go corvette or porsche.
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People tried this against the NISMO 350z and failed. You can buy all the parts you want, but if they don't work properly together it could just make your car worse. Autech tuned all the parts to work together on both NISMO versions. And the NISMO 350Z still out handles many race prepped Zs with just bolt ons.
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Remember, you can do all this, but you won't have the downforce of the factory body kit that helps plant the tires to the ground when needed. That is one of the most important parts on a road course, is that downforce.
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Its funny how Nissan has given us "Best Sports Car Value on the Planet" or whatever the journalist are saying and in spite of that we keep saying "oh it would have been nice if they....." I suppose the best isn't good enough is what keeps pushing the technology forward..... |
I agree with you on the looks, it looks different than the 370z, the designers need to get some clues from the Italians they took the nice look away.
I don't agree with the rest of your comment, the nismo probably will give to any of the Germans a very hard time or beat them for $30k less. I had the 370z for 3 weeks and now I have the nismo and let me tell you this is another car, I just came back from the LA CREST HWY, this car really handles and it's fun to drive. I will say that I miss the front and rear bumper of my 370z, I wish I can make it look like the original 370z but I don't think it's possible. The disigners of this car forgot the suit case of taste, class, fashion, or probably were drunk. |
The nismo 370 is yet to show us what its really capable of... the nismo 350 was an AMAZING improvement over the non nismo 350... Despite its looks - it hands down was a better car... so dont be too judgmental just yet...
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A Z equipped like I posted before would kill the Nismo Z with ease on track. Yes its about parts working in harmony but the Nismo Z package is hardly untouchable for less money than the premium it commands. All Nissan did was add standard stuff enthusiasts add but with less performance as evidenced by some of the numbers guys are getting with similar mods imho. BTW thanks for the correction on the body welds. I assumed the 370z Nismo had the body welds as well.:tiphat: |
150lb at 70~ mph is A LOT! I can feel it on my Z when I am on the road course. It gets more traction and wants to grip the faster I go which is like the opposite of what it would normally do. :)
Sadly you are one that has never been on a track with a NISMO Z. There are many videos out there that already show how well the NISMO does with race slicks. No aftermarket Z has yet to handle as smooth and good. But then again, the 370z has no body welds which is a huge difference in handling, so that might be enough for someone to blow off the NISMO this year. Quote:
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