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theDreamer 07-20-2009 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by shabarivas (Post 119723)
There are laws in place which say that unless the dealer can prove that your oil cooler is the reason your car broke down - they will have to cover the warranty work... this is seriously a non-issue. Are you seriously telling me that you plan on leaving your track car stock?
Yes, I know the law, we have had long debates on this forum already about it.
But it is not just the oil issue of the warranty, Nissan clearly does not want the car on the track even as stock, now Robert makes a good point in who says that is what Nissan intends. But I would feel that marketing of the product towards "competition suspension" and other parts makes one wonder who they are hoping buys this.

Now would I leave my car stock? Wrong person to ask because this is my first sports car and the power currently is more than I need so I would leave it completely stock without a question.

The_Zed_car 07-20-2009 05:01 PM
I prefer the Nismo 350Z > Nismo 370Z. Can be had for cheaper, and then very little is needed to have boatloads of fun with it.

Robert_Nash 07-20-2009 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by shabarivas (Post 119723)
There are laws in place which say that unless the dealer can prove that your oil cooler is the reason your car broke down - they will have to cover the warranty work... this is seriously a non-issue. Are you seriously telling me that you plan on leaving your track car stock?
That "law" is a bit of a red hearing and has already been significantly discussed here.

It's all well and good to say the law is on the consumer's side but if a manufacturer takes the position that an aftermarket addition, especially anything used for "off road" use (i.e. track use) precipitated or could have precipitated a failure and they refuse warranty coverage then the consumer is left with what is likely to be a real headache and may well mean heading for the court room...very few consumers have the time, inclination or financial resources to sue a manufacturer under that statute and if they did, their Z would likely have become a "classic" by the time the case was adjudicated even assuming it was a victory for the consumer.

If anyone says that adding aftermarket performance parts will "automatically" void your warranty that simply isn't true...by the same token, anyone claiming that resolving a dispute between the consumer and the manufacturer is simple, quick or easy is also not likely true and I'd suggest that any evidence that a vehicle was put on a race track would likely result in making a warranty claim even more difficult.

370z4Steve 07-20-2009 05:17 PM
If your going to track your car nismo or not your going to probably do more than just leave it stock (and track it)..whats the big deal?
... this is more about exclusivity/novelty, some extra sales $$ and nothing to do with Nissan building the perfect track car. If you want that purchase something stock and make it into whatever your hearts content is...these and any other cars you can purchase thats street legal from the dealer is a street car plain and simple.

shabarivas 07-20-2009 05:17 PM
^ agreed - but all it will take is one or two people to set the precedent - once thats there... companies will cite the case where nissan got owned by some consumers. Its not like nissan is the only company that does this. With that said - there are plenty of dealerships who will not care about your mods etc and will still do warranty work on your car. Besides - go get your oil cooler installed at a dealer and pay the premium and have it covered ...

Robert_Nash 07-20-2009 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by shabarivas (Post 119748)
^ agreed - but all it will take is one or two people to set the precedent - once thats there... companies will cite the case where nissan got owned by some consumers. Its not like nissan is the only company that does this. With that said - there are plenty of dealerships who will not care about your mods etc and will still do warranty work on your car. Besides - go get your oil cooler installed at a dealer and pay the premium and have it covered ...
Keep in mind that the act does NOT apply to anything other than a written warranty; if the dealer doesn't put it in writing it didn't happen.

antennahead 07-20-2009 05:55 PM
:drama:

NIZMOZ 07-20-2009 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by sensi09 (Post 119688)
In the end, you can always get more performance through aftermarket. Since M and AMG models were brought up, you could easily get a 335i to outperform a M3 for less money, but if you follow those threads on the BMW boards, the overall sentiment is like "who cares and that's not really the whole point."

Oh and I would hope that a Nismo 370 outperforms it's 350 variant. Doesn't a regular 370Z come close to or exceed the performance of the Nismo 350Z on the track already?
Per the tests so far no.

Modshack 07-20-2009 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by shabarivas (Post 119748)
Besides - go get your oil cooler installed at a dealer and pay the premium and have it covered ...
Riddle me this then Batman, as the Warranty thing has been thrown in our face here before. Let's say a dealer decides to install your Stillen Cooler (I think Phimosis is in this category). He's feeling good because his dealer Warrantied the install and Stillen warrantied the part.

Part fails, Toasts engine. Stillen's limit of liability according to their warranty is to replace the defective part. Dealer says NOT OUR PROBLEM, it was not our part. Who pays? You do (for the whole engine)

Installation fails. Any install failure will result in the dealer pointing fingers at Stillen. They're all pre-made parts that just screw together. How "wrong" could it go? Momma Nissan will not support the dealer either way. The dealer did this on his own and the Mother ship is sure not gonna pay a $8-10K repair bill when it was the dealers (or Stillen's) fault. Dealers are independent businessmen...They are NOT Nissan.

See where this is going? Unless you have something in writing from the dealer/Nissan that will cover these circumstanses you're basically SOL no matter how warm and fuzzy you felt after being schmoozed by the service writer who took your money for the work......

Robert_Nash 07-20-2009 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ (Post 119796)
Per the tests so far no.
Hugh...what tests are you referring to?

The tests I've read says the 370 is at equal to or better than the NISMO 350 in 0-60; 60-0 and skidpad.

shabarivas 07-20-2009 07:04 PM
Well - if you toasted your engine - pay to have it uninstalled and take that **** in under warranty... lol when it comes to having to spend 8k... lol ill pay the 400 or so to remove the cooler

tolnep 07-20-2009 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by gnarf (Post 119049)
this kinda reminds me of the new Corvette Grand Sport coming out real soon. Its pretty much a regular C6 corvette with Z06 brakes, suspensions and wider body panels..all for around 55k..supposedly it would be the fastest car under 60k..I wished the Nismo could compete at the Grand Sport's level...even if they slapped on some cookie sized turbos like the ones on the 335i...it would make some great results!!!

Grand sport vette.
Z06 body, brakes, not sure about the suspension, i think perhaps dry sump on the stick but not auto..

the rumor is the grand sport is mostly bling too. and frankly the wide body on the z06 is nice, but the rumor is it will weigh more, be a tad slower at the strip and track..... lots o complaints about not upping the hp to at least 450 to 460..

course i think they should do away with the z06, offer the grand sport z06 option, which is the grand sport body with the cadillac cts-v detuned ls3 from the zr1..

SnakeBitten 07-20-2009 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ (Post 119236)
150lb at 70~ mph is A LOT! I can feel it on my Z when I am on the road course. It gets more traction and wants to grip the faster I go which is like the opposite of what it would normally do. :)

Sadly you are one that has never been on a track with a NISMO Z. There are many videos out there that already show how well the NISMO does with race slicks. No aftermarket Z has yet to handle as smooth and good.

But then again, the 370z has no body welds which is a huge difference in handling, so that might be enough for someone to blow off the NISMO this year.
You know what Ill give you that as Ive never tracked any Nismo Z. Im purely going off of Mag articles Ive read. :tiphat: I concur on the smoothness from what Ive also heard of the 350z Nismo as it does have the dampers and the welds to really stiffen up the body and control flex etc. As you stated I dont know if thats why the 370z version isnt any faster than the regular model. More testing should reveal the truth.

blackbird 07-20-2009 08:49 PM
I read about the NISMO 370Z and saw that weight was added. Since I liked the fact that the Z was lighter than my Infiniti G35 Coupe and my '93 30ZX TT and the nose looks JC Whitney, I had no interest. People under 40 may not know JC Whitney and that's a good thing. I read about the NISMO handling and did get the NISMO springs, shocks and sway bars. Really like the difference. Was unthrilled with he rest. SB has the right way to go, for me, with Stillen intake, headers, HFC, oil cooler plus lighter flywheel, under pulley and OZ 18lb Wheels. Already have exhaust. The Sports brakes work very nicely thank you.

travisjb 07-20-2009 09:46 PM
Answer:

A) take the oil cooler off and go to a different dealer that doesn't know it was ever installed

... I think this would be above-board if the cause was unrelated to the oil cooler installation.

Also, Nissan dealers have a ~$5K limit for repairs where they can authorize any warranty repair less than or equal to on their own. So pretty much all but an engine replacement, perhaps trannie replacement.

Travis


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Originally Posted by Modshack (Post 119809)
Riddle me this then Batman, as the Warranty thing has been thrown in our face here before. Let's say a dealer decides to install your Stillen Cooler (I think Phimosis is in this category). He's feeling good because his dealer Warrantied the install and Stillen warrantied the part.

Part fails, Toasts engine. Stillen's limit of liability according to their warranty is to replace the defective part. Dealer says NOT OUR PROBLEM, it was not our part. Who pays? You do (for the whole engine)

Installation fails. Any install failure will result in the dealer pointing fingers at Stillen. They're all pre-made parts that just screw together. How "wrong" could it go? Momma Nissan will not support the dealer either way. The dealer did this on his own and the Mother ship is sure not gonna pay a $8-10K repair bill when it was the dealers (or Stillen's) fault. Dealers are independent businessmen...They are NOT Nissan.

See where this is going? Unless you have something in writing from the dealer/Nissan that will cover these circumstanses you're basically SOL no matter how warm and fuzzy you felt after being schmoozed by the service writer who took your money for the work......

travisjb 07-20-2009 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by shabarivas (Post 119838)
Well - if you toasted your engine - pay to have it uninstalled and take that **** in under warranty... lol when it comes to having to spend 8k... lol ill pay the 400 or so to remove the cooler
Agree... I think I just double-posted this point... sorry... and just a slight correction to your numbers, it costs $10K to replace the engine on this car!

juan05 07-20-2009 10:23 PM
just wondering how big of a chances is that the stillen cooler or the nissan cooler will destroy your engine?

RCZ 07-20-2009 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by juan05 (Post 120028)
just wondering how big of a chances is that the stillen cooler or the nissan cooler will destroy your engine?
I dont know travis? how big?

travisjb 07-20-2009 11:29 PM
really really small, if you use a qualified installer... and go ahead and check their work anyways!... and oh by the way, if you ever see an oil light, PULL OVER... FAST

glad I can laugh about it at this point! wasn't true a few months ago

serge 07-20-2009 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 118708)
I can't get over this so I figured I'd post my opinion and see what you guys think. Four months ago when I bought my 370Z, I was an excited 'convert' from having owned a number of Audis.

With my old Audis, I was truly an Audi enthusiast. I drooled over the S and RS variations of the cars, attended Audi driving schools, etc etc. I was loyal and loved the sportier versions offered by the S and RS models. Audi had and still has something special in their 'sporty racing' versions that is sexy and desirable.

Now I'm a Nissan owner and I love my new Z. However, out comes the Nismo 370Z and all I do is find myself cringing at everything Nismo represents. First, the 'sportier' model looks arguably ridiculous from some or many angles. Even something as simple as more aggressive styling is done with numerous stepoffs and contours that don't compliment each other. To make matters worse, the bumpers look like plastic rather than smooth, sleek and hi-tech. Second, the Nismo really offers nothing that's more desirable. If Audi put out a Nismo 370Z, it would sport a twin-turbo or V8 upgrade. Why isn't our Nismo sporting 400+hp? BMW and Mercedes also know the recipe with their M and AMG versions. People would laugh at Audi if the RS4 just had new front and rear bumpers, some RS4 stitching and a new exhaust.

In short, I'm sorry to say that anything Nismo makes my stomach crawl. The last thing I'd want on my car is anything that actually says "Nismo". For me, Nismo is just Cheese-mo. What do you guys think?
+1

I thought I was the only one who thought that the Nismo looks cheesy, unrefined, plastiky and 2F2F.

On top of that. it is slower than the regular Z. Sure, like some said, it must be jealousy :rolleyes:

bucketman 07-20-2009 11:56 PM
Okay, maybe it's time to throw my two cents in. I just took delivery of my 370z nismo. I like it a lot. The car I have been driving is an 03 350z track model. The 350 had full nismo suspension, stillen exhaust,nismo cai, kintex intake, 19 inch rays lmgt4's, etc.. Yes you can build a custom car for the same or cheaper than the nismo, but as an overall package this car is a good value. Will I modify this car,sure. But until then I have a warranty without question.
Everyone talks about buying aftermarket parts and ending up with a better car for cheaper but no one talks about cost to install these items. Time is money. I wrench my own car(after warranty) but still installing these things takes time. Is the body ricer? Maybe to much for some. I wish the rear wing was smaller, but really like the lines of the front and sides, especially in black(my fav). I have tracked my 350 at various venues and it was a joy. I have a feeling that the nismo will be just as much fun. The oil cooler is an issue for all of us and I have been hammering away at a resolution. I have a nissan motorsports part # now, but am waiting on price and availabilty. I too wish this car had more HP(400 would be the magic number) but alas this is what we were given. My price for the car with destination charges was 38,500 plus TTL. So beat me up flame me or whatever, but for my two cents, this is a great car

travisjb 07-21-2009 12:25 AM
I don't think anyone should flame you for buying it... if money is little object and you like the car, then why not.

I would caution you however that some have speculated nissan motorsports parts will not preserve your warranty in the same way that nismo parts will. you may want to ask around a bit on that. in all likelihood, nissan will view the nissan motorsports oil cooler as no different than a stillen or gtm or redline kit with respect to any future warranty claim.

carlo_amacio 07-21-2009 12:31 AM
poeple always gets defensive over something that going to be better than their car. it happened between the 350z to 350z nismo, 350z to 370z, and now its happening to the 370z with the nismo version

Pushing_Tin 07-21-2009 12:39 AM
The NISMO isn't my cup of tea, but I still like it, it's still a Z! Congrats on the new car, post of some pics and join the other discussions. :tup:

Quote:
Originally Posted by bucketman (Post 120128)
Okay, maybe it's time to throw my two cents in. I just took delivery of my 370z nismo. I like it a lot. The car I have been driving is an 03 350z track model. The 350 had full nismo suspension, stillen exhaust,nismo cai, kintex intake, 19 inch rays lmgt4's, etc.. Yes you can build a custom car for the same or cheaper than the nismo, but as an overall package this car is a good value. Will I modify this car,sure. But until then I have a warranty without question.
Everyone talks about buying aftermarket parts and ending up with a better car for cheaper but no one talks about cost to install these items. Time is money. I wrench my own car(after warranty) but still installing these things takes time. Is the body ricer? Maybe to much for some. I wish the rear wing was smaller, but really like the lines of the front and sides, especially in black(my fav). I have tracked my 350 at various venues and it was a joy. I have a feeling that the nismo will be just as much fun. The oil cooler is an issue for all of us and I have been hammering away at a resolution. I have a nissan motorsports part # now, but am waiting on price and availabilty. I too wish this car had more HP(400 would be the magic number) but alas this is what we were given. My price for the car with destination charges was 38,500 plus TTL. So beat me up flame me or whatever, but for my two cents, this is a great car

GingaBreadMan 07-21-2009 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bucketman (Post 120128)
Okay, maybe it's time to throw my two cents in. I just took delivery of my 370z nismo. I like it a lot. The car I have been driving is an 03 350z track model. The 350 had full nismo suspension, stillen exhaust,nismo cai, kintex intake, 19 inch rays lmgt4's, etc.. Yes you can build a custom car for the same or cheaper than the nismo, but as an overall package this car is a good value. Will I modify this car,sure. But until then I have a warranty without question.
Everyone talks about buying aftermarket parts and ending up with a better car for cheaper but no one talks about cost to install these items. Time is money. I wrench my own car(after warranty) but still installing these things takes time. Is the body ricer? Maybe to much for some. I wish the rear wing was smaller, but really like the lines of the front and sides, especially in black(my fav). I have tracked my 350 at various venues and it was a joy. I have a feeling that the nismo will be just as much fun. The oil cooler is an issue for all of us and I have been hammering away at a resolution. I have a nissan motorsports part # now, but am waiting on price and availabilty. I too wish this car had more HP(400 would be the magic number) but alas this is what we were given. My price for the car with destination charges was 38,500 plus TTL. So beat me up flame me or whatever, but for my two cents, this is a great car
Wow at that price I would have bought the Nismo as well. Damn u got a great deal. I think the Nismo is a steal If u can get it at that price. Congrats

chubbs 07-21-2009 01:34 AM
The 'Emperor's new clothes' have been well and truly ripped off in this thread, haven't they?

Must say that I agree with the OP ...Nismo 370z - It ain't worf it!

...still love my Nismo LMGT4's though :rolleyes:

SnakeBitten 07-21-2009 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by carlo_amacio (Post 120153)
poeple always gets defensive over something that going to be better than their car. it happened between the 350z to 350z nismo, 350z to 370z, and now its happening to the 370z with the nismo version
This discussion aint about that. This is the second post thats trying to hint at hate etc. This is more about disappointment than hate. I guess nowadays you have to like and agree with everything or else you are a hater:rolleyes:

Most of us just wanted something more. How can you blame us after 2 tests showing the 370 Nismo Z isnt any faster than the regular Z and Nissan didnt give it an oil cooler at that. Will wait for further testing to be fair but so far it doesnt look like money well spent from a performance to dollar standpoint. Thats basically the ax I have to grind with Nissan. The car deserved to be more than it is imho. This isnt a knock at anyone that has purchased one at all. Congrats. Im just voicing my opinion NOT hate. :tiphat:

xfrgtr 07-21-2009 05:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by carlo_amacio (Post 120153)
poeple always gets defensive over something that going to be better than their car. it happened between the 350z to 350z nismo, 350z to 370z, and now its happening to the 370z with the nismo version
:iagree:

juan05 07-21-2009 04:56 PM
imo i think is a great car. yes they did not add an cooler. not everyone who gets the nismo is going to track it. in looks i think is great. there is not 1 thing i dont like.

antennahead 07-21-2009 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SnakeBitten (Post 120227)
This discussion aint about that. This is the second post thats trying to hint at hate etc. This is more about disappointment than hate. I guess nowadays you have to like and agree with everything or else you are a hater:rolleyes:

Most of us just wanted something more. How can you blame us after 2 tests showing the 370 Nismo Z isnt any faster than the regular Z and Nissan didnt give it an oil cooler at that. Will wait for further testing to be fair but so far it doesnt look like money well spent from a performance to dollar standpoint. Thats basically the ax I have to grind with Nissan. The car deserved to be more than it is imho. This isnt a knock at anyone that has purchased one at all. Congrats. Im just voicing my opinion NOT hate. :tiphat:

:iagree: I don't hate the Nismo, I just agree with most of the posters here that the additional money doesn't justify what you get...... our opinion, not meant to dis anybody that buys the car. I actually like the wheels and front bumper, don't care for the rear spoiler..... but styling is very subjective.

It was mentioned about the "sum of the parts working together in harmony", to create the level of performance the Nismo attains. This is certainly true, however, most of the members here are seasoned car enthusiasts, and IMO, are pretty capable of picking aftermarket suspension parts along with HFC, exhaust, intakes, etc, that will work together very well. There are some impressive "tuners' on this site that I learn a lot from. I am sure the Nismo fills a niche however for those that don't do much aftermarket work, nor care to come to a great place like this to learn.

John

mattjk 07-23-2009 07:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 118708)
I can't get over this so I figured I'd post my opinion and see what you guys think. Four months ago when I bought my 370Z, I was an excited 'convert' from having owned a number of Audis.

With my old Audis, I was truly an Audi enthusiast. I drooled over the S and RS variations of the cars, attended Audi driving schools, etc etc. I was loyal and loved the sportier versions offered by the S and RS models. Audi had and still has something special in their 'sporty racing' versions that is sexy and desirable.

Now I'm a Nissan owner and I love my new Z. However, out comes the Nismo 370Z and all I do is find myself cringing at everything Nismo represents. First, the 'sportier' model looks arguably ridiculous from some or many angles. Even something as simple as more aggressive styling is done with numerous stepoffs and contours that don't compliment each other. To make matters worse, the bumpers look like plastic rather than smooth, sleek and hi-tech. Second, the Nismo really offers nothing that's more desirable. If Audi put out a Nismo 370Z, it would sport a twin-turbo or V8 upgrade. Why isn't our Nismo sporting 400+hp? BMW and Mercedes also know the recipe with their M and AMG versions. People would laugh at Audi if the RS4 just had new front and rear bumpers, some RS4 stitching and a new exhaust.

In short, I'm sorry to say that anything Nismo makes my stomach crawl. The last thing I'd want on my car is anything that actually says "Nismo". For me, Nismo is just Cheese-mo. What do you guys think?
I have to agree, 100%. It is a joke IMO. Buy a base model and with the 10k you save, you can get everything better.

spearfish25 07-23-2009 07:52 PM
Given that I'm the OP, I might as well add that I'm far from jealous of a Nismo 370Z in its current form. Just today I found myself day dreaming again of a better Nismo sporting 400hp and quad exhausts like a porsche turbo (how cool would that look?). Something you look at and think "Hot damn that's sweet." To me, the current Nismo looks nothing more than a base 370Z that a teenager got his hands on and bought some mods from Pep Boy's.

Smallywood 07-23-2009 08:07 PM
My disappointment comes clearly from the lack of available options, simply put you can't sell a 30k base car fully loaded with options to include the nismo goodies for 50k - thanks for cool dealers to sell 50k msrp for 43k... Now I'm happy...

mattjk 07-23-2009 08:26 PM
that s-tune body kit is hideous as well, but it looks ok on your car though...

nicknick 07-23-2009 09:51 PM
Yeah I agree Nismo is a shocker. Nismo looks bad, cheesy and it is not much of an upgrade at all. The standard Z looks much better. Nismo needs to look good and give a substantial upgrade.

RCZ 07-27-2009 10:14 PM
Yeah, definitely no "hate" towards the Nismo from me either. Its just that I would've modified the Nismo's everything, just like I did with my touring and I would've ended up with the same car I have now...except some body parts and my navigation. So I don't really care whether it exists or not.

KillerBee370 07-28-2009 12:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 118708)
I can't get over this so I figured I'd post my opinion and see what you guys think. Four months ago when I bought my 370Z, I was an excited 'convert' from having owned a number of Audis.

With my old Audis, I was truly an Audi enthusiast. I drooled over the S and RS variations of the cars, attended Audi driving schools, etc etc. I was loyal and loved the sportier versions offered by the S and RS models. Audi had and still has something special in their 'sporty racing' versions that is sexy and desirable.

Now I'm a Nissan owner and I love my new Z. However, out comes the Nismo 370Z and all I do is find myself cringing at everything Nismo represents. First, the 'sportier' model looks arguably ridiculous from some or many angles. Even something as simple as more aggressive styling is done with numerous stepoffs and contours that don't compliment each other. To make matters worse, the bumpers look like plastic rather than smooth, sleek and hi-tech. Second, the Nismo really offers nothing that's more desirable. If Audi put out a Nismo 370Z, it would sport a twin-turbo or V8 upgrade. Why isn't our Nismo sporting 400+hp? BMW and Mercedes also know the recipe with their M and AMG versions. People would laugh at Audi if the RS4 just had new front and rear bumpers, some RS4 stitching and a new exhaust.

In short, I'm sorry to say that anything Nismo makes my stomach crawl. The last thing I'd want on my car is anything that actually says "Nismo". For me, Nismo is just Cheese-mo. What do you guys think?
Agreed. I think Nissan is using the GTR as the "RS" or "M" or "AMG" though even though it's a different model.

Plasmaball 07-28-2009 04:41 AM
seems like a waste of money, but i do like to spoiler on the nismo. Which one can buy as an add-on after market.
If i wanted to buy something for the name i would have gotten a Mercedes.

antbear 01-21-2010 03:42 PM
[QUOTE=SnakeBitten;118778]AGREED. Somethings I would have loved to see in this Nismo Z.

1. FACTORY INSTALLED OIL COOLERS for a track focused car is a serious nobrainer. [bruno] Nissan.....Wass Up?[/bruno]

2. Direct Injection and at least 50 more hp[aftermarket is getting close to that with just i/e/h & tune. A cam to exploit an 8000-8200 redline would be nice but not necessary.

3. Its own gearset to maximize all 6 gears [who cares about 1-2mpg loss on a track focused car]

4. Lightweight Racing seats to offset some of the weight added by the seam welds.

5. A more aesthetically pleasing lightweight bodykit that added "significant" downforce.

40-45k for this I believe people would easily pay. I mean they are paying that for the 370z Nismo as it stands and getting way less than the above.



:iagree: The Nismo Z is just the track version....that's the diff.

vipor 01-21-2010 03:43 PM
there are no welded seams on the Z34


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