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Baer383 02-11-2013 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante Rising (Post 2159746)
Success!!!

Thank you very much to YamahaR6 and Baer383!! The step-by-step DIY guide that YamahaR6 posted, and Baer383 walking through my newbie questions really helped out. If you guys lived in my area I would buy you a beer!

:tup: now go :driving:

k.alexander 02-11-2013 01:38 PM

Just happened to my 09 base. Luckily fixed under an extended warranty that I have, car has 66000 miles on it. Does anyone know if this is likely to break again, now that the SLU has been replaced???

Baer383 02-11-2013 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by k.alexander (Post 2159816)
Just happened to my 09 base. Luckily fixed under an extended warranty that I have, car has 66000 miles on it. Does anyone know if this is likely to break again, now that the SLU has been replaced???

There are a revision A,B,C,D and all of them have failed,the best you can have is a "D" lock

blackbird 02-11-2013 02:20 PM

Contacted NHTSA, Emailed Nissan USA. Someone called back. Escalated. no action. Sent second e-mail. Individual called back to say they had just received both e-mails. Would look into it and get back to me. A week later he got back to me. He was going to take it upstairs and get back to me in a week. Since then, approximately 2 1/2 weeks nothing. I have called and left messages but nothing. Today I received a survey from Nissan USA. They won't like my answers. Keep calling NISSAN USA, blast them with E-mails. Be polite. How about a nice story for Car and Driver, Road & Track etc.

fighterinsnat 02-11-2013 04:40 PM

Subscribed. My car is in the shop currently after having it towed on Saturday. $1428 total repair cost. I've opened a case with Nissan and I'm supposed to hear back from them tomorrow. 2009 48k miles no warranty.

Has anyone successfully gotten it repaired?

Also if anyone wants, my number is 352-213-5309 for anyone that might want to share experience or progress.

Pintsize725 02-11-2013 11:19 PM

Should someone tell him not to be freaked when the car takes a few seconds to turn on now?

Baer383 02-12-2013 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pintsize725 (Post 2160780)
Should someone tell him not to be freaked when the car takes a few seconds to turn on now?

That doesn't happen to everyone plus it has not been proven that this is the cause of it.

blackbird 02-12-2013 01:00 PM

I was just called by Nissan USA. I am getting a complete refund for charges for the Steering Lock replacement. E-mail them , call them etc. Do not give up. It worked for me.

SurfDog 02-12-2013 03:39 PM

Good news blackbird.

Bondfire 02-12-2013 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbird (Post 2161547)
I was just called by Nissan USA. I am getting a complete refund for charges for the Steering Lock replacement. E-mail them , call them etc. Do not give up. It worked for me.

That's awesome new! Do you think you can supply the best phone number to call and/or email to use? I'm going contact them right away. Thanks!

SurfDog 02-14-2013 09:40 AM

Agree!!! Way to stay after those bastards!!!

Love Nissan engineers. Hate Nissan customer service reps.

Now, unlock your wheel and pull your fuse!!!!!!

blackbird 02-14-2013 11:42 AM

E-mail NISSAN, call NISSAN USA. Worked for me. My refund check arrived today. 2009 370Z and failure occured at around 45, 000 miles. Good luck to all.

Bondfire 02-14-2013 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbird (Post 2164888)
E-mail NISSAN, call NISSAN USA. Worked for me. My refund check arrived today. 2009 370Z and failure occured at around 45, 000 miles. Good luck to all.

The only contact info I see is on this page. What to make sure I'm contacting the right place to get things to work out the best. What phone number and email address did you use?
NissanUSA.com - Contact

Peculiar 02-18-2013 11:40 AM

All, my light goes on and off sporadically. I will be driving and it comes on then it goes off by the time I am ready to park. Other times it will be turned on before i start the engine and the engine will still start up. It seems like this is a strange situation when I read everyone else's exp. Could anyone help clarify if this is something I should bring to the dealer? The light going off and on is annoying to begin with so I might make a call either way.

2010 27k Miles.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

SouthArk370Z 02-18-2013 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Peculiar (Post 2171515)
All, my light goes on and off sporadically. I will be driving and it comes on then it goes off by the time I am ready to park. Other times it will be turned on before i start the engine and the engine will still start up. It seems like this is a strange situation when I read everyone else's exp. Could anyone help clarify if this is something I should bring to the dealer? The light going off and on is annoying to begin with so I might make a call either way.

2010 27k Miles.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Which light is going on and off?

It may just be a low battery in the fob.

Peculiar 02-18-2013 11:45 AM

Steering wheel lock light. The one to the left of the message center. Sorry, new to the Z so I am not 100% positive on the signals.

SouthArk370Z 02-18-2013 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Peculiar (Post 2171527)
Steering wheel lock light. The one to the left of the message center. Sorry, new to the Z so I am not 100% positive on the signals.

That's the one that comes on for a steering lock failure, but, since the car is starting normally, I'm not 100% convinced that it's not something else.

First thing I'd do is disable the SLU (pull the SLU fuse or install a harness or cut the brown wire) - even if that is not what is causing the light, it needs to be done. There are several very good DIYs on this site for each method; choose whichever works best for you. Just make sure the car is in ACC or ON and the lock is fully retracted (making the switches) when you disable the SLU.

If you still get the light, try changing the fob battery.

lachap55 02-18-2013 05:11 PM

The right thing to do
 
Toyota is re-calling 50,000+ cars due to starting problems(i think its the battary cable)why doesn't nissan to "the right thing" when it comes to steering wheel lock problems....it is a safety issue. Toyota has had a lot of recall problems, but they seem to try and work with their consumers i love my 2010 nissan plat.370z roadster but i would think twice before i buy another nissans.

R0bDC 02-18-2013 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by lachap55 (Post 2172109)
Toyota is re-calling 50,000+ cars due to starting problems(i think its the battary cable)why doesn't nissan to "the right thing" when it comes to steering wheel lock problems....it is a safety issue. Toyota has had a lot of recall problems, but they seem to try and work with their consumers i love my 2010 nissan plat.370z roadster but i would think twice before i buy another nissans.

What year are the toyotas? Politics! ******** POLITICS!

DEpointfive0 02-19-2013 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by lachap55 (Post 2172109)
Toyota is re-calling 50,000+ cars due to starting problems(i think its the battary cable)why doesn't nissan to "the right thing" when it comes to steering wheel lock problems....it is a safety issue. Toyota has had a lot of recall problems, but they seem to try and work with their consumers i love my 2010 nissan plat.370z roadster but i would think twice before i buy another nissans.

This is a direct quote from me in another thread:
http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ml#post2102660

From my understanding it's not necessarily a safety issue... Those get more attention because of the Fight Club formula, which IS true, and the way recalls are coordinated.

"A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60MPH, the rear differential locks up...
The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside...
Now... Should we initiate a recall?
Take the number of vehicles in the field (A)
Multiply it by the probable rate of failure(B)
Then multiply the result by the average out of court settlement (C) [in our case, cost of replacing the steering lock]
(A) times (B) times (C) equals (X) A*B*C=X
If "X" is LESS than the cost of a recall, we don't do one


Now, everyone pulling their steering locks BEFORE their warranty is up is ruining your stats... That's why mine is firmly in place


And YES I agree, if you have one, it WILL eventually fail... But if you're disabling it, or you drove a lot and didn't buy a warranty or the opposite, you drove your car very little and 3 years came up before it failed, you're falling outside where they care and need to worry about you.


ALSO... You most likely won't be able to start a recall... You might be able to start a class action lawsuit by those who were out of warranty and had to pay out of pocket, but all of a sudden, that number becomes really low... And class action is out of the question....



Best bet... For those who get f'd, call Nissan's Ombudsman... Tell them look, this is BS, it was recalled on the GTR, why not this car, it's EXACTLY the same and this is more a driver's DD car... See what happens
The only reason IMO they DID a recall for the GTR is that it's twice the price, and you don't want to piss customers off who paid 100k for a car


New info!!!
I have seen 2 members on the forum that recently stated that Nissan paid them back and all they had to do was either send an email or make a call!!!

Peculiar 02-19-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 2171575)
That's the one that comes on for a steering lock failure, but, since the car is starting normally, I'm not 100% convinced that it's not something else.

First thing I'd do is disable the SLU (pull the SLU fuse or install a harness or cut the brown wire) - even if that is not what is causing the light, it needs to be done. There are several very good DIYs on this site for each method; choose whichever works best for you. Just make sure the car is in ACC or ON and the lock is fully retracted (making the switches) when you disable the SLU.

If you still get the light, try changing the fob battery.

So I took my car into Nissan and they hooked me up on the part even though it was not currently failing. Luckily I was still under warranty so the $800 part/install was free. I should be expecting the scheduling call in the next couple days. Glad I took the time to go over there and talk to them about it.

fighterinsnat 02-19-2013 04:15 PM

Nissan is refusing to pay for be repair. I have a 2009 with 47,xxx on it.
I don't know what to do next.

jgvill 02-19-2013 07:31 PM

Hey guys, Just fyi, if you decide to do the 'cutting the brown wire' fix, you could do it without pulling out the white thing from the harness which is a big pita. I did mine by just finding the brown wire and cutting it. Done and done ;-)

R0bDC 02-19-2013 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fighterinsnat (Post 2174153)
Nissan is refusing to pay for be repair. I have a 2009 with 47,xxx on it.
I don't know what to do next.

:shakes head: Keep Pushing them to pay for it!

I love my Z, but I really hate the way Nissan handle/is handling this situation right now.

Make sure you reported it, https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm

Good Luck!

fighterinsnat 02-19-2013 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by R0bDC (Post 2174668)
:shakes head: Keep Pushing them to pay for it!

I love my Z, but I really hate the way Nissan handle/is handling this situation right now.

Make sure you reported it, https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm

Good Luck!

Yeah I reported it.

At this point I'm thinking of cutting the wire

R0bDC 02-19-2013 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fighterinsnat (Post 2174971)
Yeah I reported it.

At this point I'm thinking of cutting the wire

Will Cutting the Wired do anything if you cant turn on the car?

fighterinsnat 02-20-2013 11:58 AM

Help! Steering lock issue, car started! Help!
 
I got nissan to swap my steering column lock with a working one to get the car started. Can I pull the fuse now? I couldn't get it to start before because I guess the lock was enabled.

bcr8ive 02-20-2013 12:09 PM

Mine went out last October at the cost of $1100.00...just 2000 miles out of warranty. Steering wheel controls went out prior to that...brakes have squeaked for months...Nissan turned it's head to all of these issues while the car was still under warranty. Needles to say I traded the POS last Friday for a 2013 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara...
Kiss my *** Nissan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cheshirecat 02-20-2013 12:12 PM

turn the car on to acc so that you can hear the lock disengage. once it does (test the wheel by wiggling it), pull the fuse. turn the car back off and uninstall the steering lock if they're just letting you borrow it.

be sure to test it before uninstalling the lock.

Huan'z 02-20-2013 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bcr8ive (Post 2175711)
Mine went out last October at the cost of $1100.00...just 2000 miles out of warranty. Steering wheel controls went out prior to that...brakes have squeaked for months...Nissan turned it's head to all of these issues while the car was still under warranty. Needles to say I traded the POS last Friday for a 2013 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara...
Kiss my *** Nissan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

U got them buddy!!:)


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SouthArk370Z 02-20-2013 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cheshirecat (Post 2175718)
... uninstall the steering lock if they're just letting you borrow it. ...

I don't remember anyone trying it but I don't think the car will start without a SLU wired in. There are two microswitches that need to be in the correct position and some electronics that "handshake" with the BCM/ECM. It doesn't have to be bolted in place, but it does need to be plugged in.

daisuke149 02-20-2013 12:54 PM

Chris Spohn took his out in his endeavor for weight savings.

asdfsammich 02-21-2013 12:53 AM

Makes sense. Once the fuse, or lock, is deleted, the need for that nested handshake gets deleted with it.


Phone Tapatalk *nix ...

SouthArk370Z 02-21-2013 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 2175812)
Chris Spohn took his out in his endeavor for weight savings.

Cool. Thanks for the correction.

ThreeSevenTee 02-21-2013 02:47 AM

Just bang on it...
 
Well I'll be damned. Long story short: the 'bang on the steering lock until it disengages' technique actually works (or at least it did for me!).

Long story long:
My 2009 Z (only 12500 miles) has been stuck in my garage for the last 3 months since the steering wheel lock failed. I had been about to park it for the winter anyway (Calgary isn't very Z-friendly in winter), so I had time to ponder what to do about it. The car was about 7 months out of warranty when it failed and getting it out of that tight garage onto a flatbed in an icy alley would be a nightmare - so I wasn't in a great rush to go that way. I'm also an engineer with incurable DIY syndrome so I was convinced I could fix it myself. Tonight I decided I was going to open up the steering lock and see if I could fully disengage the locking pin, get the car started, and then pull the fuse as suggested earlier in the thread. But before I went out to start working on it I took one last read through this thread and looked again at the report(s) about kicking the crap out of the steering wheel lock until it let go. I have to admit I thought the chances of this working would be almost nil - and I wasn't too crazy about potentially reducing my already-low chances of getting a warranty repair. But I have some non-marring mallets and thought I'd give it a shot (so to speak). I raised the steering wheel as far as I could, felt around to make sure I was going to hit the lock assembly and not the thin cowling nearby, and starting whacking it with a fairly soft white rubber mallet while depressing the clutch and pressing the start button repeatedly. Went on like that for about a minute, but no joy. So I switched to a harder-face dead-blow mallet (16oz, I think) and tried again - banging firmly but certainly not wailing on the lock assembly. About 10 seconds in, the dash lights up and the car roars to life. Neighbors probably wondered what the heck all the commotion after that was about - last time anybody heard me making noise like that was when the Flames won the Stanley cup over 20 years ago :woot:. I pulled the lock fuse while the car was running (I had opened that up a couple of months ago) and shut the car off. Crossed my fingers, pressed Start again, and the Z started like a charm (and no delay).

So it's just another data point, but I hope a few more people give this (literally) brute-force approach a try before shelling out $1000-$1500 for an infuriating repair. Just don't hit the thing so hard you cause damage and maybe invalidate any coverage you might qualify for.

P.S. Here's a little additional data to eventually help determine if this is a cure-all or a fluke (or maybe it just works for a particular mode of failure). The amber 'lock' warning indicator had started to come on intermittently during the week or two preceding the lock failure - I thought it was probably a fob 'weak battery' warning or something like that and foolishly ignored it. After parking in the garage one evening and noticing that the 'lock' light stayed on after I shut the car off, I tried to restart the car - but the 'lock' light just stayed on and that was the end of it: the car still recognized the fob for door lock / unlock but pushing Start did nothing (stayed on LOCK: no ACC, nothing...). I discovered I could lower the windows, but not raise them (ended up open for 3 months). I eventually gave up trying to start the car after going through every permutation of clutch / gear / wheel turning / fob inserting / button pressing I could dream up. One interesting point is that I was still able to turn the steering wheel when the lock failed: so maybe the locking pin was in an 'almost open' position and just needed a little extra agitation to finish opening up and engage the 'open switch'? Seems that a failed lock mechanism might also drain the battery fairly quickly - about 7 days after the lock failed, the battery was totally flat. I kept a maintenance charger on the battery after that to avoid damage.

SurfDog 02-21-2013 05:57 PM

Sweet after action report, and nice job!

Sh0velMan 02-24-2013 07:17 PM

Mine failed yesterday.

Beating on it didn't do anything for me.

I posted photos of my solution here: http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ml#post2182326

Ziggyman 02-27-2013 06:33 PM

Can anyone tell me if a June 2011 build would still have this issue. I've read the threads and all I could find was something about mid 2011 on being ok.

Thanks!

SouthArk370Z 02-27-2013 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziggyman (Post 2187881)
Can anyone tell me if a June 2011 build would still have this issue. I've read the threads and all I could find was something about mid 2011 on being ok.

Thanks!

IIRC, the change happened in March, but I'm not 100% sure. Stick your head under the dash and look - if it's there it'll be easy to see (check one of the DIYs for pics). Or listen for the whirring sound of the motor - it's pretty loud.

Ziggyman 02-27-2013 08:23 PM

Thanks SouthArk, I get it now. The fix was that they removed the lock device.
:tiphat:


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