Just got back home from test driving another z before I make my decision.
 

They only had an auto, and said they may be able to find the 6 speed I want. I was bummed, but i decided to stop at the chevy on the way home and they had one 2SS in, and they wont let you test drive it, and they wont let it go for anything under 38grand. WTF are they smoking? Im sorry, but I just dont see how anyone can pay that much for that car. The outside is okay, but it is so big it looks like a sedan, and the interior looked cheap to me.

Anyone else feel the same?

the problem is that they brought the old styling to the interior....
the exterior is a nice idea but they should have a modern interior...

Yes...Let me line up to buy a car/truck built by disgruntled employees.

I'd stay a mile away from any GM product at the moment.

I did the same thing... with all the hype about the new Camaro I went in to take a look, and apparently all the vehicles they have a pre-sold so they aren't giving out test drives. But one look was enough for me because of its ridiculous size. That thing is HUGE.

The kicker is that the salesman was talking about how he loved driving it... so apparently they let the salesmen drive em but not us. No wonder the company went bankrupt.

POS interior, 400lbs heavier than the last camaro, bfd.

Confucious say "Retro styling equal lazy designers."

The front grill is the only thing that reminds me of a sports car. I had one beside me on the highway for a few miles and didn't even realize it until i passed it and saw the grill. Looks like a family car all the way around except for the front. Thats just me 2 cents. Not hating or anything, its a good car.

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I like the Camaro's exterior styling, but the interior just fell far too short from the concept car making the complete package disappointing.

The american V8s just keep getting heavier and crappier-handling, even though they're still upping the BHP on them over previous generations. I'd still take my '99 WS6, for all its faults, over any of the new GM/Chrysler V8 muscle cars (and even that car is a fat pig handling-wise compared to the 370Z).

The plus side is that the aftermarket for those engines is enormous, making it cheap to up the power a lot. In terms of dollars spent to reach a given time in the 1/4 mile, go with the Chevy over the Z. But it will never have the finesse and handling the Z does.

very far. like, galaxy far away far.

The Mustang has actually gotten better.

With the track pack I think it does about a 70mph slalom and .94Gs. And having driven one there is a lot of body roll, so with a suspension kit it will be niiice.

I am still mulling over trading the Z in on one!!!

The reviews of the new SS have all praised its handling. Pretty much every magazine is pulling upwards of 0.98 G's. That's really impressive.

The first few paragraphs of Edmunds review get into its handling.

Im glad Im not the only on that feels this way. I mean I kept seeing vids and hearing it get hyped up only to be left dissapointed. I am a lover of all performance vehicles no matter who makes them, but I just could not look at that vehicle as something sporty. I mean I know it is a muscle car, but it is to big in the wrong areas IMHO.

It just looks like a body style that is already dated. Even though the Charger is heavier, it looks sportier to me from the outside. I also dont understand how they are getting so much money for them. I mean for those prices you could get a nice used C6 and call it a day.

The mustang has a shit interior, but it's always been that way. It's always been the more economical choice to the higher priced, but somewhat nicer f-bod twins. And since it's always been that way, any slight improvement is an improvement of leaps and bounds

I wont disagree with you there, but a car still has to be visually appealing, but then again it must be to some becasue it is selling.

The skidpad test is impressive, but there's more to handling than road stickiness. I often rely on nurbur numbers to solidify handling.

Nurburgring numbers are overrated.

There are just too many factors that affect the final lap time.

I agree with that statement, but the number is indicative of a car that's no slouch in handling.

I'd say the new one is about 85% as nice as the Z's.

I think it's obvious with my prior collection that I'm an american muscle fan, but even I'd say that's being a little generous. I'd go 70 at best.

I'll revise and say 75%. The gauges are horrid and the air vents are still el cheapo. But the seats are nice. :icon18:

I don't think there is a perfect test, but I do believe a combination of nurb numbers and skidpad tests give a better impression than just one test alone.

Lol, alright, I'll compromise with you at 75. I do bow to all the stuff you can add to a mustang straight from the factory. If anyone wants to see a shit-load of options, go to the ford site and build a stang.

A buddy of mine just bought an 09 Mustang. The cheapness of the parts & amounts available was sickening, haha.

Indeed there isn't a perfect test. But I really don't think the Nurburgring tests are really that good. It's more of a marketing thing and people just buy into it. The lap time is never indicative of the car's true performance as too many factors can affect the time. You've got something like 170 corners and none of those test drivers are ever going to be able to click off the perfect lap. They will always be giving up time somewhere.

Say the GTR vs. ZR1 internet wars... it was just ridiculous. I think the numbers published were around 2 or 3 seconds apart which when you think about it is less than 1% difference in time between cars. No one in their right mind would ever look at those two cars and say, "well, it's obvious that Car A is better than Car B."

IMO, you're better suited to put two cars on a much, much smaller track with a mix of low and high speed corners. That way you have the same conditions and only around 10-12 corners or so which will make it much easier to get a 100% lap in. Then you get a more accurate idea of which car is better.

the 05-09s were crap.

You can add an FRPP blower at purchase and have around 450 warrantied rear-wheel-ponies. :tup:

Which brings up another important point for all of us Z guys: You see a new GT and think, "haha, easy pick'ns" only to find out they are factory supercharged.

:D

Don't disagree, there just isn't a "standard" test for it, that goes in all the mags and whatnot, so we have to deal with what we got :D

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Corvette stuff is definitely not cheaper than Z stuff!

I liked it a lot. It was the only GT I've been in that made me care about Mustangs.

I try to be open-minded, but other than a nice modded one, I never pay attention.

To each their own.

03-04 cobra = only thing that made me care about stangs.
the circa 03 mach 1s were cool, but too underpowered to their f-bod rivals.