Lol i was just saying the refreshed Z doesnt look as bad as some people say.

Saw my first one today on the lot. Must say it did look much better in person over the pictures I have been seeing. I had a salesmen turn the car on and I didn't care for the look of the LEDs. Also there were only on as a parking light. Didn't come on with the headlights, but I'm sure there's a way to fix that.

I just don't see where a base + sport can be justifiable at $39570 msrp. To me a Z base sport at the most would be worth 38k. And that price still pushes limits. I paid 37k otd. I know these Z won't see the same kind of price breaks.
Its still an awesome car, but not a compelling financial value. Like it used to be.

Camry's etc go up because they keep technologically advancing every 2 years or so. The Z hasn't budged much in 5 model years.
The most significant upgrades have been, oil cooler and upgraded nav screen (if u buy it). Little things like heated mirrors, in cabin filter and upgraded shocks happened in 11: all of this is simple crap for a car company. I expect more for an average of $800-900 a year increase.

Yes, you are partly correct. Actually, they are on all the time. With the exception of when the headlights are on.

Salesperson told me the same thing before I bought the car, it's only on for parking. My reply was, "this car can see a parking stall and turn itself on???" He thought about it for a second or two, then said, "oh yeah, wonder how it knows that" :rofl2:

1. Other than lacking body-color fangs, the '13 bumper is far more contoured and modern than the 350Z bumper. The fangs were somewhat polarizing - guess what? I like both. You should see it in person to not sound so uninformed.

2. You seem oblivious to the concept of inflation. My particular Z saw a 1.5% price increase over the 2012. That's under year over year inflation (1.9%). You're getting awfully worked up over a (negotiable) ~$600 increase on a $40k car. Consumer goods experience price increase without "upgrades" (i.e., a gallon of milk).

3. The Z is still highly competitive to the Gen Coupe - even with the Hyundai's "vast improvements" it's still slower than the Z. If you ask me, Hyundai took a handsome design and ruined it with boi-racer hood scoops and a garish grille. The Gen Coupe's interior is now at least a step above Elantra quality.

4. I never cross-shopped the Z to the Camaro, regardless of stats. Also, see #3 re: interior design/quality. Z to Camaro is apples to oranges.

5. Yes, I would define your tone as "hate" - you just don't realize how much you sound like that 'Buddy' character you were bickering with.

Please explain why you saw the 2013 model year as do-or-die for Nissan to radically alter their low-volume sports coupe. A five year lifespan with subtle changes is not out of the norm. Unlike Apple, there isn't going to be a "all-new" model every couple years - this isn't an iPhone, it's a car.


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Ok, you're beginning to get defensive for no reason.

1. The comparisons to these cars aren't direct. My main issue is the Z should have upgrades that create the same kind of attention. This upgrade won't do it.
2. I am going on step further and test driving this car tomorrow. I'm not misinformed. I have studied enough pictures to know that I am not satisfied with this cars new look. But the proof will be in the pudding tomorrow.
3. Inflation. Uh huh. Point is, other cars are not rising as quickly with more upgrades annually.

I still prefer a Z as a car. Even with the current dislikes. But I'm seeing flaws in a lot of areas with progression. I don't hate the new Z because nothing has changed. But in my opinion, nissan and hyundai both fked up the front. I love the Z as a whole and I still applaud the new owners for supporting our car. That's all there is.
Nissan has gone reverse with a lot of cars. The G35 to G37 is another example. But I owned them both. Don't get all hurt.

Unknown, I understand how you feel. This car is not cheap. Please keep in mind that inflation in the last 10 years have grown at an average rate of 3%. 2011 US official figures was 3.7%. Taking a $30,000 commodity, 3% would equal $900. Add in a weakening dollar, and Nissan's price increase is not out of the norm.

Do I like it.....no, but that is the reality of our world.

Due diligence before the sale, plus using the competition can yield a fairly good price. You're welcome to read my post in the Introduction section, titled 2013 On Order (my price is there). I feel like I got a great deal and really enjoy my 2013Z. Thanks for all the info you guys post here :tup:

Congrats on your ride. There's one dealer in my area giving $4000 markdowns on a 2013: everyone else has them @ msrp. I am test driving to demystify the euro shocks. I need to feel the difference from my current shocks. I also had an 09 Z and honestly I prefered that over my 11 shocks. My 11 is more compliant but my 09 was more aggressive. I don't mind harsh ride for more performance feel.
I hope the euro shocks feel good? We'll see. As far as inflation goes. I understand that, but the least they could have done was tuned the ECU for 10hp and redesigned the midpipe for more aggressive exhaust note. That doesn't cost much. Its about staying competitive to a point where reviewers can't bash the car. Something that's been goin on too long.

Unknown, Would like to know your opinion on the difference in the shocks. Test drove a 12 before buying, but had no other Z to compare it with at that time and too long ago for me to remember.

Yup, agree with you on the tuning of the ecu and better exhaust note. Small incremental steps is always good. :tup:

That's why I am waiting until 2014. :icon17:

I understand you now but just to throw out there, the new Z base + sport is around 36K MSRP, not 39K like you said. Touring + Sport is 39K MSRP.

I just built one bruh... go back and try it. The touring non-sport is 39k. and your wrong cuz a fully loaded Z in 11 was 37.1k. im counting all accessories and auto trans. we have to look at the highest possible price. Anyone can strip a car down and say look its not that expensive.
Dude, be happy with your purchase, it's just my overall opinion. No big deal. Like i said, the Z holds dear to my heart. My gripe isnt on people who buy the new Z's. I dont think i own the better car. Im just upset cuz nissan never can give more bang for buck past the first 2 model years and they are cashing in on late bloomers. I think that strategy slows down progress and is bad for the company overall.... They been this way since the Z31 and they don't learn.

I'm glad you guys are buying Z's regardless, cuz in the overall. they are still excellent cars. And you guys are still Z brothers no matter what the front looks like or the cost.

lol... Thats pretty funny. My Z should be paid off for the 2014 model year. I'm hoping to add the Z35 to compliment the Z34 in 2015.

Dude, I am happy with my purchase. I have a 09 6TM fully loaded (sport + touring + nav). :ugh2: But again, I don't think the new Z is ugly as people make it look like. And yes, I understand you are upset because Nissan keeps increasing the price without improving the car as they should.

You are right about the price. I was only looking at one with manual transmission and without shipping cost.

I'm more upset they weren't competitive in how they refreshed the Z. A bunch of short-cuts. There were decent progressions over the years, nothing to write home about. but decent, though not reflecting the increases. 2013 was a time for nissan to step to the plate. Sports cars haven't been since competitive sine the 89-98 import wars. Not a time for half-assed refreshes. That's what i'm really upset about.