Always works. Google is magically magical.

Just guessing and grasping on available information... but my gut tells me the new Z may be straight inline 6, smaller compression with turbo option. They can still drop a couple hundred pounds, granted they will drop some HP but gain torque, making it a wash with the 370 but faster acceleration. This also goes back to the 240 original 6 inline straight.

What ya guys think? It's kind of an in-between, but they can probably price it low to mid 30's base, and mid 40's to 50 with turbo.

Base model would be spanking any turbo 4 popper, and put it within reach of equivalent sport v6's for less than 10-50k.

I got a plan. Let's wait till we see what it ends up being. Then we can discuss.

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What makes you think Nissan will do a straight 6?

I for one hope they dont offer more than one engine. That makes things that much harder to find parts for later on. Also no 2+2. Thats a waste because everyone knows that the back seats are useless.

How about we do both...

I'd also like only one (good) engine choice. Lack of an "affordable" offering makes things a little more exclusive. I dont need to see a Z in every household, see mustang.

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But Nissan is going to do whatever the person who argues the most says they're gonna do! :mad:


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Funny guys :icon17:

Now that I have time to look it up, thought the stats of 2 sportscars back in the day, might be interesting.

1969 240Z Stats:
Wheelbase 90.7"
Length 163"
Width 64"
Height 50.5"
Weight 2,302 lbs
161 hp, 146 tq

1969 Corvette
Wheelbase 98"
Length 182.5"
Width 69"
Height 47.8"
Weight 3,091
300 hp, 380 tq

The Iconic 1969, 240Z was a small, light and relatively underpowered car. Yet it became a car everyone loved. Just food for thought.

why I am disappointed with the FRS:

Length 166.7 inches
Width 66.9 inches
Height 51.2 inches (excluding antenna base)
Wheelbase 101.2 inches
Track (Front) 59.8 inches
Track (Rear) 6.6 inches
CURB WEIGHT 2737 lb
Maximum output 200hp @ 7,000 rpm
Maximum torque 151 lb.-ft. @ 6,600 rpm

Only 6 more ft lbs of torque

The classic Z was iconic because it was a simple, no nonsense sports car. light, with enough power to keep you happy. In 1969 161 hp was a lot, especially with that weight.

I agree. Simplicity has a beauty all of it's own.

The 240 was awesome, but pretty slow by today's standards. They also didn't have to deal with all the safety requirements and crash test ratings. If you compare the two, the 240 might as well be made of tin foil. I wouldn't mind the z being lighter, but I don't want it looking as small as a miata either.

You do realize the 240z didn't actually have 161hp right? The way horsepower was measured back in the 70's is not the same way we measure it today. Back then they did gross hp or basically hp measured at the crank with no accessories hooked up and the motor on a stand (not in the car). By todays standards the 240z has closer to 120hp. So comparing it to todays FRS isn't a fair standard. The track times clearly display this considering the 240z was anywhere from a 16.1-17.4 1/4 mile car depending on the magazine you look at. The FRS/BRZ is what, a high 14 sec car? It would eat a 240z for lunch in just about any event.

Thats not to say a 240z can't be competitive for really cheap, because it can but as someone already mentioned the safety on the 240z is horrendous. In the 70's their idea of increasing safety when they switched to the 280z was putting in a single steal beam in the door to help with side crash ratings. I love my 280z and daily drove it for years but I'm glad it's now just a weekend cruiser. Still, with very little money in mods and still non-turbo it will show a FRS a hard time in just about everything but top speed.

O good point :tiphat:
I'm not directly comparing them, more so it's interesting to note that in 40 years of technology advancement and you get the FRS which today is closest thing to the formula that the original Z was base on. Miata is a roadster so i didn't consider it.

True, but still I find it pretty amazing that cars can be sort-of lightweight and "kinda" have power... and still be safe.

I know how it feels though, kinda disappointed in the low HP.. affordable, safe, and has UMPH is what we all want.

I think we'll push past the 200HP affordable sports car within 5 years.

Manufacturers are still testing the waters to see if this segment will be profitable... think of the wonderful S2000 it was killed off because it didn't sell enough.

Because the FRS is selling like hotcakes, the manufacturers see the need to sell "affordable" sporty cars to compete.

If the FRS fails, there won't be many manufacturers following Toyota's footsteps.

If the FRS sells, everyone follows and competes in the segment :)

It's nearly impossible to build it cheap, safe, lightweight and have the same characteristics of a modern sports car.

I guess my point is, to achieve everything we want in a sports car, we need to use more exotic materials like carbon fiber, which has gotten a lot less expensive to produce. I read somewhere that the new Mclaren MP4-12c cost a 1/4 or a 1/3 to produce than the F1 because of new techniques. Lets hope it trickles down to us mere mortals.

You've probably seen this before. This shocked me the first time I saw it. I thought most of these old cars were tanks compared to new cars, but the thing just disintegrates. I can't imagine how a 240 would stack up.