I am with the majority... I hate the new wheels and front bumper of the 13! the Z looks like it got severely neutered when they removed the aggressive fangs and added LED lights. Even the new wheel design is somewhat subtle compared the the previous design. Looks like Nissan wants to try to appeal to the masses to increase sale volume but at what sacrifice?

Robones, I have no problem with you not liking the 13's looks as the prior years models are beautiful as well. I have a 13 on order, have seen them in person and I prefer them to the 12. So it's just a matter of personal taste. I posted the pics of the 13 on another thread.

My questions to you, is the last sentence of your post. Are you saying the majority of the people will like the new 13 look better than the 12? And what do you mean by sacrifice?

If they sell more the car becomes less unique and more played out.

'12 vs '13
 

I just put $$ down on a 2012 that is 12hrs away from me due to not wanting a 2013.
First reason was that I am not a fan of the new wheel design on the 2013's but the fact I can get 0% on 5 yrs on a 2012 is a great bonus.
The new bumper design is decent, the LED's are acceptable but not appreciated, but the wheels went the wrong way IMO.

Well then you can :gtfo2:

um... He's entitled to his opinion.

:iagree: If he is lucky he can find a NOS 11 still sitting on a lot.

Says who? This is the internet man. In my internet world, what I say goes. :tup:

You must be a really successful person. :tiphat:

I have to say that unfortunately if there was someone who thought Z drivers are possibly immature and confrontational, I would hope they do not read this thread. Everything is about taste and opinion. Some of us are biased to our choices, some of us back our choices up with facts, but no matter what we are all proud Z owners.

Let's redirect our passion into the car and not each other's ego.

lol this forum's reputation has gone down quite a bit over the years. But I'm not really worried about what outsiders think.

If they come here to learn about the car, they should be able to find information on it. I try to help as best I can, but I'm not always here and am not qualified to answer everything.

But every car forum has illogical arguments. It is the nature of online forums.

Apparently some people can't sense when someone is obviously being sarcastic. Jeez. And just for your information, I am very successful. I am an overweight 29 year old virgin who still lives home with his parents. I bought the Z because it makes me feel better about my small pp. I'm a badass!

Chill. Y so serious.

Luv ya Beks!

Exactly my point :tup: