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Vbp6US 06-22-2012 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by nicknick (Post 1784770)
it is not "math". it is maths short for mathematics not mathematic.

Truth spoken although not at all related to the topic. Just so no one discredits you, I've quoted some parts from the daily writing tips website.

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Is “math” or “maths” the correct word to use as the shortened or colloquial form of the word mathematics? The answer is that it depends on where you are.
To North American speakers of English, the word to use is “math”, as in “I majored in math”, and “maths” would sound wrong. Speakers of British English, however, would always say “maths”, as in “I took a degree in maths”. They would never say “math”.
There are logical arguments for both spellings. The word “mathematics” can be considered as a singular and as a plural noun. Both the Oxford and the Merriam-Webster dictionaries say the word is plural – hence the s on the end – but also that it is usually used as if it was a singular noun. So, most people would say “mathematics is my best subject” and not “mathematics are my best subject”. The shortened form “maths”, then, makes sense because the word is still a plural noun and so should still have the “s” on the end. On the other hand, it could be argued, “math” makes sense because it seems wrong to remove the letters “ematic” from the middle of the word and leave the final “s”.
Source: http://www.dailywritingtips.com/math-or-maths/

Magic Bus 06-22-2012 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by nicknick (Post 1784770)
it is not "math". it is maths short for mathematics not mathematic.

Hey nicknick, you sound like my English teacher from high school. I'm no English major, but I can tell you this......in your country the water spins the wrong way when going down the toilet!!!:rofl2:

Vbp6US, I'm impressed!:tup:

DLSTR 06-22-2012 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Shamu (Post 1784763)
Couple points. The new Boxster is incredible piece of engineering. It's very balanced car, quality of parts are much higher, much more efficient motor and drive train with incredible dual clutch PDK tranny. It's a true sports car enthusiasts vehicle. Well designed convertible top as well. Yes it's 2.7 liter motor delivers better MPG but has less torque than the Z.

....Mileage. While I'm sure on highway the 2.7 boxster gets close to 30 mpg I suspect real world is less.

My Nismo will bang out 26 mpg all day long on highway if I keep my foot out of it.

In Germany mostly men driving the Boxster or couples. Its very expensive here. Its a laser mid engine design that Porsche, along with the Cayman has to be very careful with.

Its potential exceeds the 911 and the drivers here in the Porsche driving school love both more than the 911's as they handle much more precisely.

I also want to add that if you follow Porsche closely you know their engineering is very very good. Hence the cost.

My Z overall gets good mileage when I check it. We all know its just the right foot governor that matters.!!!

No matter who is driving it, life is not too bad in the Cayman/Boxster environment. I give it great respect no matter the cost. It works well.

370zproject 06-22-2012 06:27 AM

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Somberlaine 06-22-2012 08:16 AM

worst MPG: 17
best MPG: 24

kenchan 06-22-2012 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by gy954 (Post 1784436)
So there's the new Porsche Boxster. Beautiful car. Great performance. Spanks the 370Z in just about every way...which it should, since it costs almost twice what a Z costs. And it gets 30 mpg, while my 2011 Base+Sport is getting about 20 mpg. I'm bummed. I didn't buy the car for its fuel economy, but really!

What do you think about the 370Z'z mileage?

it's great. i dont care much about mpg, and my :driving: show it. :icon17:

my G only does 15-16mpg during my commute so considering that, the Z is very fuel efficient.

Spikuh 06-22-2012 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by gy954 (Post 1784436)
So there's the new Porsche Boxster. Beautiful car. Great performance. Spanks the 370Z in just about every way...which it should, since it costs almost twice what a Z costs. And it gets 30 mpg, while my 2011 Base+Sport is getting about 20 mpg. I'm bummed. I didn't buy the car for its fuel economy, but really!

What do you think about the 370Z'z mileage?

The Boxster also weights a good 300 pounds less than the Z so they do not need as much power to achieve similar ratios.

In general more power = less fuel economy, more weight = less fuel economy.

Ultimately it depends on driving style. I can get 30 mpg on highway in mine.

onzedge 06-22-2012 09:11 AM

Buying a Z and being concerned about mileage is an oxymoron.

Bucketlist2012 06-22-2012 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1785251)
Buying a Z and being concerned about mileage is an oxymoron.

So is driving a Prius and trying to Race Z cars...:tiphat:

onzedge 06-22-2012 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucketlist2012 (Post 1785308)
So is driving a Prius and trying to Race Z cars...:tiphat:

:icon18: :icon18: :icon18:

bigdog1250 06-22-2012 09:38 AM

To be a better comparison you should compare it to the manufactures MPG rating for the Boxter S, which I'm sure is rated only a couple MPG better, maybe 28 (due to the HP boost)?

But really, you can get mid 20s no problem if you wanted to. The thing is why would you? This car is supposed to be impractical and fun ;)

nuTinmuch 06-22-2012 09:58 AM

I get 27 MPG in my Z -- both via the dash and gas tank math. :p

I don't drive "economically" but I do spend most of my time on the highway. The Z is a pretty efficient car considering what it is, but really, any (relatively) light car is going to give you decent mileage if you don't slam on the loud pedal.

shadoquad 06-22-2012 10:00 AM

Personally, I base all of my performance car shopping off of fuel economy.


:|

onzedge 06-22-2012 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1785366)
Personally, I base all of my performance car shopping off of fuel economy.


:|

That is a very logical approach. :icon17:

kenchan 06-22-2012 10:16 AM

everyone should get the tornado or watever it's called jammed up their intakes. get a couple for the exhaust too.

onzedge 06-22-2012 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1785414)
everyone should get the tornado or watever it's called jammed up their intakes. get a couple for the exhaust too.

Hey, those things are no joke. :tup:

kenchan 06-22-2012 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1785421)
Hey, those things are no joke. :tup:

i think they have a kit that also somes with the turbo/bov sound generator too. :tup:

onzedge 06-22-2012 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1785427)
i think they have a kit that also somes with the turbo/bov sound generator too. :tup:

OOOOOOOHHHHH -- I hope so!!!!

Cell 06-22-2012 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenny (Post 1784457)
The Porsche Boxster gets 30 MPG? According to what?

This?

http://media.ziptied.com/members/fil...oxster_MPG.png


Because if you're basing it off the manufacturer's website then..

I should be getting 26 MPG in my Z.

http://media.ziptied.com/members/fil...n_370Z_MPG.png

The boxter looks very similar to the toyota MR-S

kenchan 06-22-2012 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1785434)
OOOOOOOHHHHH -- I hope so!!!!

:icon18:

Nismo89 06-22-2012 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucketlist2012 (Post 1784752)
Hyundai accent to a 370Z ?


Oh man....Congrats big time...:hello::tiphat::tup:


You must have a perma grin...

Wow..what a difference...:tup:

actually on the contrary... after all the filing and paperwork was done ( i got top dollar for my Accent, since it was in great condition and less than 25 k miles on it for a 2008) The Z is my 2nd car. and the woman that finalized the paperwork looked at me and said " arent you excited at all? your now the Owner of a BRAND NEW 2011 NISSAN 370Z...... and yet.... your just sitting there, straight faced and silent. .. your not the least bit excited?"

" no im excited-"
" your not exactly showing it"
" i am, but its now my car now. and i probably will have this thing forever... excitement can wait"
" thats a very mature way of viewing it, most kids 21 years old like you would be smiling from ear to ear and literally bouncing off the walls...your.... just....sitting there stoned face"
" im excited. "
" well thats good"

i love my car. and if anyone else besides me drives it, im texting, calling. exc to get it home (mom, dad, exc) lol .

my excitement for the Z, comes with me being very protective of my first ever sports car. you know i hear all these stories about guys in the 50s, 60s and 70's saying " i remember my first sports car.. man... i really wish i still had it"....i want to be able to say " yea i remember my first sports car... its right there, and still runs perfect" :tiphat::driving:

do i have a larger than life grin at the thought of having it? you bet haha.. now

Augustus 06-22-2012 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by gy954 (Post 1784436)
So there's the new Porsche Boxster. Beautiful car. Great performance. Spanks the 370Z in just about every way...which it should, since it costs almost twice what a Z costs. And it gets 30 mpg, while my 2011 Base+Sport is getting about 20 mpg. I'm bummed. I didn't buy the car for its fuel economy, but really!

What do you think about the 370Z'z mileage?

Regarding the Porsche Boxster Vs. 370Z comparison, pay attention to what you're actually comparing...

A Base Boxster has a 265hp 2.7L engine*. It's rated @ 30mpg highway. $50K
A Boxster S has a 315hp 3.4L engine*. It's rated @ 28mpg highway. $61K

A Base Cayman has a 265hp 2.7L engine. It's rated @ 27mpg highway. $52K
A Cayman S has a 320hp 3.4L engine. It's rated @ 26mpg highway. $62K.
A Cayman R has a 330hp 3.4L engine*. It's rated @ 27mpg highway. $66K.

*These engines are newly Direct-Injected, which accounts for their MPG improvement over the other engines.
(And no, this isn't from memory, I'm looking at porsche.com for the numbers)

A 370Z has a 332hp 3.7L engine. It's rated @ 26mpg highway. $33K. No direct-injection.

A base Boxster should trump a 370Z's MPG because its engine is direct-injected, a liter smaller, and produces 70hp (and 60 ft/lbs of torque) less than the 3.7 in the Z.

If you want the ~330HP & similar torque that a 370Z brings to the table, you've got to look at a Boxster/Cayman S or better. At that point, you're within a couple of MPG of a 370Z. A Cayman S, is exactly the same @ 26mpg. 1-2 mpg differences are quite irrelevant, as the difference will vary much more than this by driving style, driver, conditions, etc. And especially when we're talking about $60K+ cars, who cares about 1mpg more or less?

Am I happy with my Z's fuel economy? Yes. The EPA window sticker on my 2011 370Z MT says 18 city, 26 highway. With 6,700 miles on my odometer, I'm getting 16-19 in the city (highly dependent on the trip distance & my right foot). Steady, 70mph cruise-control highway with negligible wind, I'm seeing ~27 mpg. This is stock + K&N drop-ins, if that makes any difference (which I doubt).

I would humbly suggest that if your Z is literally only getting 20mpg on the highway, something may be wrong with your Z. I'd get it checked out. :tiphat:

kenchan 06-22-2012 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Nismo89 (Post 1785460)
actually on the contrary... after all the filing and paperwork was done ( i got top dollar for my Accent, since it was in great condition and less than 25 k miles on it for a 2008) The Z is my 2nd car. and the woman that finalized the paperwork looked at me and said " arent you excited at all? your now the Owner of a BRAND NEW 2011 NISSAN 370Z...... and yet.... your just sitting there, straight faced and silent. .. your not the least bit excited?"

" no im excited-"
" your not exactly showing it"
" i am, but its now my car now. and i probably will have this thing forever... excitement can wait"
" thats a very mature way of viewing it, most kids 21 years old like you would be smiling from ear to ear and literally bouncing off the walls...your.... just....sitting there stoned face"
" im excited. "
" well thats good"

i love my car. and if anyone else besides me drives it, im texting, calling. exc to get it home (mom, dad, exc) lol .

my excitement for the Z, comes with me being very protective of my first ever sports car. you know i hear all these stories about guys in the 50s, 60s and 70's saying " i remember my first sports car.. man... i really wish i still had it"....i want to be able to say " yea i remember my first sports car... its right there, and still runs perfect" :tiphat::driving:

this has nothing to do with mpg. please post comments about tornado generator and effective product of the like.

onzedge 06-22-2012 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Augustus (Post 1785466)
Regarding the Porsche Boxster Vs. 370Z comparison, make note of what you're actually comparing...

A Base Boxster has a 265hp 2.7L engine*. It's rated @ 30mpg highway. $50K
A Boxster S has a 315hp 3.4L engine*. It's rated @ 28mpg highway. $61K

A Base Cayman has a 265hp 2.7L engine. It's rated @ 27mpg highway. $52K
A Cayman S has a 320hp 3.4L engine. It's rated @ 26mpg highway. $62K.
A Cayman R has a 330hp 3.4L engine*. It's rated @ 27mpg highway. $66K.

*These engines are newly Direct-Injected, which accounts for their MPG improvement over the other engines.

A 370Z has a 332hp 3.7L engine. It's rated @ 26mpg highway. $33K. No direct-injection.

A base Boxster should trump a 370Z's MPG because it's engine is direct-injected, a liter smaller and produces 70hp (and 60 ft/lbs of torque) less than the 3.7 in the Z.

If you want the ~330HP that a 370Z brings to the table, you've got to look at an Boxster/Cayman S or better. At that point, you're within a couple of MPG of a 370Z. A Cayman S, is exactly the same @ 26mpg. 1-2 mpg differences are quite irrelevant, as the difference will vary much more than this by driving style, driver, conditions, etc. And especially when we're talking about $60K+ cars, who cares about 1mpg more or less?

Am I happy with my Z's fuel economy? Yes. The EPA window sticker on my 2011 370Z MT says 18 city, 26 highway. With 6,700 miles on my odometer, I'm getting 16-19 in the city (highly dependent on the trip distance & my right foot). Steady-cruse, 70mph cruise-control highway with negligible wind, I'm seeing 27 mpg.

:tup: Nice analysis work,

kenchan 06-22-2012 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1785469)
:tup: Nice analysis work,

augustus is sailfree in disguise. :icon17:

gy954 06-22-2012 10:45 AM

Hi Gang!
 
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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1785251)
Buying a Z and being concerned about mileage is an oxymoron.

I agree. My original post said, "I didn't buy the car for its fuel economy...".

Even though some folks appear to have not given that statement the weight I had hoped for, I want to thank you all for posting in this thread. And some made a good point: I was comparing my real-world experience to ad copy. And I have to confess, I drive with a heavy foot--hey!, that's what the car is for, no? :icon18:

So again, thanks to all for your contributions here. I like my Z and I like this forum: they're both about having fun.

kenchan 06-22-2012 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by gy954 (Post 1785478)
I agree. My original post said, "I didn't buy the car for its fuel economy...".

Even though some folks appear to have not given that statement the weight I had hoped for, I want to thank you all for posting in this thread. And some made a good point: I was comparing my real-world experience to ad copy. And I have to confess, I drive with a heavy foot--hey!, that's what the car is for, no? :icon18:

So again, thanks to all for your contributions here. I like my Z and I like this forum: they're both about having fun.

i noticed mr.onzedge really held back on his post cause he really wanted to remove the "oxy" out of that post after posting it. :icon17: haha

shadoquad 06-22-2012 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by gy954 (Post 1785478)
I agree. My original post said, "I didn't buy the car for its fuel economy...".

Even though some folks appear to have not given that statement the weight I had hoped for, I want to thank you all for posting in this thread. And some made a good point: I was comparing my real-world experience to ad copy. And I have to confess, I drive with a heavy foot--hey!, that's what the car is for, no? :icon18:

So again, thanks to all for your contributions here. I like my Z and I like this forum: they're both about having fun.

:tiphat:

6MT 06-22-2012 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1785378)
That is a very logical approach. :icon17:

But not too practical for sports car shopping.:p

shadoquad 06-22-2012 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 6MT (Post 1785504)
But not too practical for sports car shopping.:p

I'll see you at the pumps!!! Or maybe not, maybe I'll be at the pump up the street!:roflpuke2:

onzedge 06-22-2012 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1785506)
I'll see you at the pumps!!! Or maybe not, maybe I'll be at the pump up the street!:roflpuke2:

:icon18:

Coon-azz 06-22-2012 11:06 AM

I'm a big Porsche fan, but more towards the Cayman S model...kind of right in the middle of all of them. Anyway, I don't think you're comparing apples to apples.... I think if you bought the Z to be a straight line beast, you bought the wrong car. While 300 + RWHP isn't too bad, my pontiac solstice was pushing that to the ground and did 0-6 in under 5 seconds. Now thats a power to weight issue too but after around 80 MPH, its not going to contend with a big V8 or muscle car. Put it into the turns and most V8s wont see anything but its tail lights. The Porsche is a great car and each has its own purpose. After having the Z for a few months now, it's definately designed for carving up the curves. :tup: Its a purpose built car. I bought mine as a daily driver, so I made no mistake that this was going to be a canyon carver for the daily grind and not a weekend trailer queen. And for the $, I think it's pretty refined; campared to my previous Pontiac Solstice GXP. There are a lot of great cars on the road to choose from. Perhapse look at getting a used Porsche for the weekend rides or something? :tiphat:

Cmike2780 06-22-2012 11:07 AM

I actually thought 20mpg was still pretty good. I usually average around 22-28mpg of mixed, but mostly highway driving. On the highway, I can get it up to the low 30mpg's......then I see an open stretch of road and forget I'm trying conserve fuel, lol. Lately though, I've been borrowing my sister's Civic for commuting while I finish detailing the Z in the garage. I'm getting close to 40 mpg on the highway. I forgot how nice $40 fill up's with regular were.....but man, the commute is oh soooooo boring. It's like driving an appliance.

kenchan 06-22-2012 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1785506)
I'll see you at the pumps!!! Or maybe not, maybe I'll be at the pump up the street!:roflpuke2:

:icon18:

Nismo89 06-22-2012 12:46 PM

:bs:i WAS averaging 25.3 miles.. but there's more than one person that hijack the key to mine. therefore the MPG is around 21.3 right now

kenchan 06-22-2012 12:53 PM

yah, thanks but we dont care. this isn't the hypermiling club. :icon17:

edub370 06-22-2012 01:21 PM

jesus... another gas mileage thread..


so buying a 2 door, rwd, sports car weren't the first clues that it wouldnt get great mileage.

secondly.... WHO CARES! go drive the car and enjoy it. u spent $35k on a car, no need to penny pinch on mpg's now that u got it.

onzedge 06-22-2012 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 1785838)
jesus... another gas mileage thread..


so buying a 2 door, rwd, sports car weren't the first clues that it wouldnt get great mileage.

secondly.... WHO CARES! go drive the car and enjoy it. u spent $35k on a car, no need to penny pinch on mpg's now that u got it.

:tup:

Bucketlist2012 06-22-2012 02:55 PM

What's next ? Our tires don't last 50,000 Miles ?

shadoquad 06-22-2012 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucketlist2012 (Post 1786070)
What's next ? Our tires don't last 50,000 Miles ?

You mean yours don't? :gtfo2:

:rofl2:


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