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Mt Tam I am 06-10-2012 10:17 AM

Is Datsun derogatory?
 
I love my Nissan 370Z. When someone asks "what is it?" I often reply Datsun.

I started out with a Datsun 280Z and have had a z car for 30+ years. I mean no disrespect.

When I hear Jeremy Clarkson say it, it sounds derogatory. Is it?

Trips 06-10-2012 10:22 AM

I don't find it an issue and I'm proud that it has a long history.

http://static.motorstop.asia/blog/th...atsun-logo.jpg

370ZilverZ 06-10-2012 10:31 AM

I would even prefer they went back to the name Datsun.

onzedge 06-10-2012 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple's (Post 1764137)
I don't find it an issue and I'm proud that it has a long history.

http://static.motorstop.asia/blog/th...atsun-logo.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370ZilverZ (Post 1764155)
I would even prefer they went back to the name Datsun.

:iagree:

Bucketlist2012 06-10-2012 10:36 AM

Seeing as how I grew up with Datsun 510's, and 240Z's, I see no problem with it..

It seems that they changed it when the 300ZX came out, yes I had one of those too..

So call it datsun if you would like.

onzedge 06-10-2012 10:38 AM

Beginning with the 1982 model year, Nissan badged the US-sold cars as "Datsun by Nissan". In the 1984 model year -- all were Nissans.

280z/300zx 06-10-2012 11:19 AM

No, but consider that Datsun was a made up name. Datsun was used here in the states so that if if failed the parent company name, Nissan, wouldn't be affected. Nissan was always the original name but since they weren't sure if they could do a good job here they called their cars Datsun. Not really derogatory but considering Datsun hasn't been around for 30 years and is not the true name of the company there are going to be a lot of people who don't know what you are talking about or may think your an idiot for calling your car a datsun. We enthusiasts know better but your average person on the street may wonder why your calling your Nissan a Datsun.

onzedge 06-10-2012 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 280z/300zx (Post 1764204)
No, but consider that Datsun was a made up name. Datsun was used here in the states so that if if failed the parent company name, Nissan, wouldn't be affected. Nissan was always the original name but since they weren't sure if they could do a good job here they called their cars Datsun. Not really derogatory but considering Datsun hasn't been around for 30 years and is not the true name of the company there are going to be a lot of people who don't know what you are talking about or may think your an idiot for calling your car a datsun. We enthusiasts know better but your average person on the street may wonder why your calling your Nissan a Datsun.

:tup:

takjak2 06-10-2012 11:22 AM

I don't take Datsun as an insult, many people know the old Z cars and Nissan in the US by the name.

I think the issues comes from the fact that the name Datsun was started and used by the existing Nissan company to protect their brand name from a potential flop when they entered the American market. As the brand became a success they phased it out, because we can all be proud of what they had gotten to.

The Datsun nameplate is now coming back into use for newly developing markets for the same reason.

Mt Tam I am 06-10-2012 11:56 AM

Thanks to all who've answered. It is like a girls maiden name. When she marries I still think, and refer to her by the first name I knew her by. Never insultingly. Just the way my brain works.

Nismo89 06-10-2012 03:34 PM

not at all.

the Name "Datsun" to me refers to and MEANS History. privelage. Honor. Respect.

often people outside the Nissan Community, dont respect where things have come and how far they have come thus far.

so when i look at my Z? i see all those words i stated above.

VCuomo 06-10-2012 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370ZilverZ (Post 1764155)
I would even prefer they went back to the name Datsun.

That's exactly what Nissan is doing.

Nissan to bring back Datsun car brand

valpozguy 06-10-2012 04:00 PM

I don't have a problem with it at all!!!
http://img.tapatalk.com/47c239d3-0af3-2ea7.jpg

sent from my SAMSUNG SINGLE TURBO SGH1717

Magic Bus 06-10-2012 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by valpozguy (Post 1764642)
I don't have a problem with it at all!!!
http://img.tapatalk.com/47c239d3-0af3-2ea7.jpg

sent from my SAMSUNG SINGLE TURBO SGH1717

:tup:

No issues with Datsun at all.

When I got my G35 Coupe in early 2004, there were only a few on the road and everyone would ask me what kind of car is that? I replied, It's a Nissan.

NissanGuy23 06-10-2012 04:20 PM

Whenever someone is jokingly insulting a GTR or a 370z, they tend to call it a Datsun

valpozguy 06-10-2012 04:25 PM

If someone insults either one of those cars they are obviously ignorant and not worth my time to even talk to.

sent from my SAMSUNG SINGLE TURBO SGH1717

Bucketlist2012 06-10-2012 04:37 PM

Depends on how you use the term.:confused:

Honey, I have to break up with you....Yes Datsun..:tup:

Or sorry I came too Datsun...:eek:

Or did your fine sister have to leave Datsun ?:yum::yum:

Or, yes I would like you to lose weight Datsun...:eek:

Then it may be derogatory...:tiphat::hello::icon18:

Hopefully I don't end up on the banned list, but I just had to do it...

bigsix 06-10-2012 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1764167)
Beginning with the 1982 model year, Nissan badged the US-sold cars as "Datsun by Nissan". In the 1984 model year -- all were Nissans.

Sweet: Thanks.

I've been looking for this exact information.

Mick714 06-10-2012 06:55 PM

I always thought the reason they changed the name was to get away from the historically rust ridden paint that the early Datsun imports had. When I think Datsun It brings back a memory of the pock marked Z 240's Not so with Nissan

Waiz 06-10-2012 08:02 PM

Clarkson definitely uses it as an insult but he who cares what he thinks?

I'm around older Datsuns all the time but there is no way I would refer to my car as a Datsun because it would make no sense to

PapoZalsa 06-10-2012 08:12 PM

I started with a Datsun B210, however if you looked at that time any engine cover on a Datsun it said Nissan.;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick714 (Post 1764938)
I always thought the reason they changed the name was to get away from the historically rust ridden paint that the early Datsun imports had. When I think Datsun It brings back a memory of the pock marked Z 240's Not so with Nissan


No, that was NOT the reason. It was a business deal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by valpozguy (Post 1764685)
If someone insults either one of those cars they are obviously ignorant and not worth my time to even talk to.


Exactly, when they don't know the history of the brand.

onzedge 06-10-2012 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucketlist2012 (Post 1764704)
Depends on how you use the term.:confused:

Honey, I have to break up with you....Yes Datsun..:tup:

Or sorry I came too Datsun...:eek:

Or did your fine sister have to leave Datsun ?:yum::yum:

Or, yes I would like you to lose weight Datsun...:eek:

Then it may be derogatory...:tiphat::hello::icon18:

Hopefully I don't end up on the banned list, but I just had to do it...

:icon18:

Bucketlist2012 06-10-2012 09:07 PM

Onzedge..

You are always there to get my Jokes....

MattP725 06-10-2012 11:03 PM

Now that Datsun is synonymous with the budget line I personally wouldn't refer to my car as one but I get the history part.

Sadly a lot of people don't seem to know that Nissan/Datsun are synonymous.

onzedge 06-10-2012 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucketlist2012 (Post 1765052)
Onzedge..

You are always there to get my Jokes....

That's because I am just a son-of-a-Datsun.

Bucketlist2012 06-11-2012 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1765317)
That's because I am just a son-of-a-Datsun.

I cannot believe you got back to me datsun...:tiphat:

Datsun as I get a minute I will come up with more jokes..

RiCharlie 06-11-2012 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucketlist2012 (Post 1765483)
I cannot believe you got back to me datsun...:tiphat:

Datsun as I get a minute I will come up with more jokes..

Its actually referring to the speed of the car... I cannot believe you drove here datsoon.

onzedge 06-11-2012 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucketlist2012 (Post 1765483)
I cannot believe you got back to me datsun...:tiphat:

Datsun as I get a minute I will come up with more jokes..

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiCharlie (Post 1765608)
Its actually referring to the speed of the car... I cannot believe you drove here datsoon.

:icon17:

onzedge 06-11-2012 08:19 AM

A snail went to a Datsun dealer to buy a Z. He told the dealer to remove the "Z" from the car and replace it with an "S".

He wanted people to see him driving by and say "Look at that S-car go".

Mt Tam I am 06-11-2012 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1765643)
A snail went to a Datsun dealer to buy a Z. He told the dealer to remove the "Z" from the car and replace it with an "S".

He wanted people to see him driving by and say "Look at that S-car go".

Recycled Chrysler S car joke alert. :ughdance:

kenchan 06-11-2012 10:36 AM

being called a Chrysler is derogatory.

onzedge 06-11-2012 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1765815)
being called a Chrysler is derogatory.

:icon18:

Cmike2780 06-11-2012 11:17 AM

I can think of other manufacturers with some odd beginnings.. Lamborghini for one. Who knew something like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._22PS_1951.jpg

could someday turn into this:

http://www.gtspirit.com/wp-content/u...nfigurator.jpg

I think Nissan/Datsun has come a long way and only a derogatory term to anyone who was around when the Datsun name existed. I actually think American manufacturers mentioned on Top Gear have it worst. If you've ever heard Clarkson describe the Corvette, you would think he's talking about a Saturn....and he actually likes how the Corvette drives.

kenchan 06-11-2012 11:22 AM

ive been around to see datsuns. i still dont think datsun is derogatory. being called an oriental... that doesnt sound derogatory to me either cause that's wat i was long time ago before some asian decided it was offensive. :confused:

i dont need some tooth decaying brit who cant even make good tea tell me datsun is derogatory.

Cmike2780 06-11-2012 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1765858)
ive been around to see datsuns. i still dont think datsun is derogatory. being called an oriental... that doesnt sound derogatory to me either cause that's wat i was long time ago before some asian decided it was offensive. :confused:

i dont need some tooth decaying brit who cant even make good tea tell me datsun is derogatory.

I find the term 'asian' derogatory....

kenchan 06-11-2012 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 1765868)
I find the term 'asian' derogatory....

honestly, i do too...

Bucketlist2012 06-11-2012 11:32 AM

[QUOTE=Cmike2780;1765855]I can think of other manufacturers with some odd beginnings.. Lamborghini for one. Who knew something like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._22PS_1951.jpg

could someday turn into this:

http://www.gtspirit.com/wp-content/u...nfigurator.jpg

That is what happens when you get pissed off at Enzo...

kenchan 06-11-2012 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucketlist2012 (Post 1765881)
That is what happens when you get pissed off at Enzo...

yah, but i read some of the most advanced cars that ferrari made, exterior was designed by some japanese dood. that is irony right there.

Bucketlist2012 06-11-2012 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1765886)
yah, but i read some of the most advanced cars that ferrari made, exterior was designed by some japanese dood. that is irony right there.

Quite Ironic...

UNKNOWN_370 06-11-2012 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1765858)
ive been around to see datsuns. i still dont think datsun is derogatory. being called an oriental... that doesnt sound derogatory to me either cause that's wat i was long time ago before some asian decided it was offensive. :confused:

i dont need some tooth decaying brit who cant even make good tea tell me datsun is derogatory.

Not trying to derail but just wanted to say...
I'm latino, but I remember when I was a kid. My white childhood acquaintences, would always tell me, "I generally hate spics but you're ok". Then they would go down the list and discuss their feelings about all non-white races. I remember how they would say oriental. It wasn't the word. It was the way it was said... if I were asian and I was hearing other races single out asians and say oriental like its a disease? I would make a fight against it too... the oriental name was dropped in the 80's as well as many stereotypes.

That said, Oriental isn't a bad word in its true meaning. The orient is a sector of asia. And not all asians are the same. Saying oriental is a geopgraphic location vs a racial slur. But if people are going to conveniently change meanings. Then it was in the best interest of asians to not allow people to refer to them as orientals in order to break a stereotype.

As far as Datsun goes... Fu*k yeah dude. I think datsun is an awesome name. I don't think the Z will get the Datsun name though... I think, it will stay nissan and we will probably get a Datsun Silvia??? :) I'm in!


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