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have to disagree. next gen with have a 6 not a 8 i wish..
but it will have more HP not by much but a little... most major upgrades imho will be inside and outside... imo for better or worse the z is to nissian what the vette is to GM.. i would say the GT-R but it's priced out of the range of your average 2 seat sports car. your average sports car guy can't afford. |
honestly, i dont care what type of engine it is..
only important thing is that the next generation is better in all regards than this. In the end, thats what matters... that its a good all round balanced car regardless of the motor type. |
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I also don't care about engine size as long as it performs better. A factory turbo would be great, though for fuel economy vs a v8. Also, can probably squeeze more power out of turbos with a tune or upgrade turbos a supposed to have to turbo a NA engine.
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I would agree the trend in the industry nowadays is going for fuel efficiency not displacement, however, it doesn't mean they have to bring down the horsepower.
Bigger engine also cost some issues such as weight and actual cost to produce and technical difficulties. It won't be surprised to see the next gen of engine goes smaller in displacement but using Force Induction to add horsepower, in that way, it gives more flexibilities to the manufacture to tune/adjust the power output. It is very effective on cost control, engine development and also, for the owner to mod the engine. In the other thread, there is the talk about the technology sharing between Mercedes and Nissan/Renault, Nissan might also look at the supercharger technology being used by Mercedes, as an option. As a personal opinion, I don't see the next gen of Z will have a lowered horsepower, but a smaller displacement engine is possible, since the current VQ is already 3.7l, and most likely Nissan will have a brand new engine for their fleet, increase on displacement is unlikely since it would sounds like a bigger VQ, even if that's the case, it is rare to develop a 6cyl/3.9-4.0, and to develop an 8cyl is against the trend (fuel economy, cost, etc etc...) It would be nice to see the next Z mounted with a 6cyl/3.0 turbo/supercharger that produce 375-385 horses. The engine is more compact, more power, more fuel efficiency, the cost of maintenance is low, and it is easy to mod when compare to a larger displacement N/A engine. In fact, Nissan already has a monster 6cyl/3.8l-turbo charged engine on hand, the GT-R engine, they could derive this engine to a smaller displacement, different ECU mapping, and use it on the Nissan/Infiniti line-up. Sorry for the long post but I am looking forward to see the next gen of Nissan engine. :tup: :tup: |
I honestly don't see anything coming out until atleast 2015, so we have a lot of speculation ahead =p
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yup, soonest I figure would be 2015 also. Maybe a new G in 2014 followed by a Z in 2015. So by 2017, all the bugs will be worked out and I will have owned my Z long enough to not feel like I am wasting too much money by trading up. :tup:
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Good more time for us to enjoy our cars. Especially guys with 11' and 12's who recently got them in the past year or so. When you recently buy something you don't want to hear about a new one coming in like a year or so lol.:tup:
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^ I KNOW! lol. The 350z was my dream car, but I wasnt in a position to get it so now I have the 370, and to think its gonna be replaced soon is a nightmare ! haha
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I still would like to see a detuned, mass produced, cheaper version of the GT-R engine. all the research is done and detuning is a whole lot easier than tuning for more power. If they are afraid that someone is gonna tweek it up to GT-R levels...well, they are already doing that with the current 370Z engine.
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I know it won't happen, but I'd like if they went down a little in displacement, went to 8 cylinders and put a turbo on it. Have it rev to 8 grand or higher.
Overall smaller car wouldn't be bad either. |
a 3 to 3.4 liter high revving v8 could also make alot of power NA... make that a turbo and it would be a beast... mmm.
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Turbo or TT 3.0 is all it needs. That will get it close or more than 400 hp. Make it 3100 lbs.
so hopefully next gen Z we'll have a name 300ZT or 300ZTT |
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This just in. Nissan and Ford have reached an agreement. Expect a 500z with 420hp.
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why are american sports cars getting bigger engines and foreign sports cars are getting smaller engines?
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its not a riddle, beemers did away with V8s, BRZ is 2.0, now this Nissan article. Caddys and Camaros get 7.1 liters, 650 hp GT500s, new Viper.....
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America is all about bigger is better. And America is about Muscle so we have bigger and bigger engines with more HP. (and also bigger fatter people)
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Its not like Mayan=Gregorian=Julian the calendars work differently. |
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I most likely will get the next gen Z if it goes FI. But I REFUSE to give up my Z34. I will have to own 2 Z's. |
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2014 Ford Mustang to Become a "World Car", Lighter and Smaller with an IRS? (The Torque Report) Also Dodge is supposed to be getting rid of the Challenger and replacing it with a smaller lighter "sports" car. EPA regulations are getting real tight in the next few years so I think the American car companies are pushing out the biggest motors they can before that happens. |
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GM obviously has a different approach with their cars. They still like to throw power at a chassis and call it a day. Granted they are equipping their cars with world class suspensions these days, they need to work on cutting down the weight. Back to the Z... I often wonder if Nissan will increase the performance of the Z to compete with the V8 cars while they develop a smaller sports car to compete with the likes of the FRS/BRZ. Or will they just downsize the Z to compete with the lower performance tier? Who knows. It will be interesting to see how it develops over the next couple years. |
pretty sure the new vette is supposed to get a smaller engine
5.5L DI or so I've read (rumor!!) |
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Then make a 250 hp small, light sports coupe (240sx) to compete with FR-S and others in that range. |
Because Americans typically value straight line acceleration above all else unfortunately. Many don't understand that test track #'s don't even begin to scratch the surface when it comes to how fun / rewarding a car is to drive.
It's easy to sell numbers because people understand numbers but it's harder to put into context and thus sell the truly important aspects of a car that make it great. So what happens is that people wrongly / ignorantly assert the quicker / faster car is somehow by default the superior car. For example, the MX-5 is world renown for being one of the best cars to drive on the planet regardless of price. Most Americans are for whatever reason more concerned with 0-60 times, etc so they'll skip the MX-5 for something which is quicker but not nearly as fun / rewarding to drive. Also many are really concerned with "image" in how other people will perceive them. Yes it's sad but unfortunately true. As far as making the Z better there are many things they could do. The problem however is in convincing people slower doesn't mean worse. Because as I stated people still ignorantly assert quicker / faster is somehow by default superior. With that said a good start would be to dish that huge 3.7l V6 which is basically maxed out for something lighter, more refined, etc. Maybe a 3.0L N/A 6 which produces around 300hp. This could help in achieving a closer to 50/50 weight distribution as well. They could also look for ways to shade weight here and there. The brakes would perform better with brake cooling ducts. Recaro seats such as the ones in the EVO X would be nice. Other than that they could fine tune the suspension for better feedback and improve outward visibility. The car could be made superior without turning out to be faster. The value of a car should be measured by how it feels from behind the wheel not its numbers so this idea that Nissan would have to build a lower powered version of the Z to compete with the BRZ / FR-S doesn't make much sense. --- I am here: http://tapatalk.com/map.php?rma3fk |
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Japan has a tax for car engines. The bigger they are, the more expensive the tax. So car makers think of ways to get as much power out of their engines while still keeping it small. Like the rx7 and rx8 with 1.3 rotaries. So the next z would probably be boosted.
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you NEED a good mix of what you said above and good power.. the mx-5 to me is extremely effing boring unless i decide to run around a parking lot.. for most real roads... its not really. and most driving is done on real roads.. not in super tight twisties in the mountain.. or super small tracks. The current z has a great blend of this already tbh. if they could get more power, retain the handling and feedback or improve it.. thats the way they need to go. improve both. |
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