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twinturbonet 03-23-2012 08:02 AM

... I JUST bought a Nismo Z34 last weekend. W. T. F lmao

2011 Nismo#91 03-23-2012 08:09 AM

35h Hybrid for fuel economy.
22d Diesel for fuel economy.
30t Turbo for __________.

I don't think they are going to go for power, with this turbo, I think they are going to be using the same though process that Hyundai did with the 2.0 turbo Genesis. Light weight with decent performance and good fuel economy, regardless what the marking department tells the public.

'10Anamoly 03-23-2012 08:24 AM

I wouldnt rush to buy one the first year. Frankly, there are always bugs in the first year runs (CSC failures, steering lock, etc). Also, depends on the quality of turbos they put on. I would not buy it with journal bearing turbos that are tiny and cannot handle upgrades well. Would rather save and put the proper stuff on the 370Z.

Now, if they put some ball bearing turbos of a decent size on with room for more boost, count me in. :tup:

PapoZalsa 03-23-2012 08:31 AM

If that happens in the future my Z will be paid and I might go for it. However, get in another car payment is another story...

joentown 03-23-2012 08:46 AM

any guess on a range for HP gains?

flashburn 03-23-2012 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by joentown (Post 1616232)
any guess on a range for HP gains?

Over 9000?

b1adesofcha0s 03-23-2012 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by flashburn (Post 1616246)
Over 9000?

http://images.wikia.com/dragonball/i...9000Techno.gif

LMBmikeZ 03-23-2012 09:32 AM

:icon18: I love when dragon ball z comes up in threads awesome!!!

If Nissan starts to go for more fuel economy with the future z's I could see it hurting them more then anything. Traditionally every time they did a model change so did the HP. Every time the new z had more power and has "according to Nissan" been faster then the previous one. So if anything they should just keep the z on course and stay away from the fuel economy turbo bs IMO.

Nick911sc 03-23-2012 09:33 AM

Sounds good to me

I can see Nissan doing this as the current VQ powerplant is pretty much done... They aren't pushing it any further. And obviously they aren't going to put a V8. And it doesn't make much sense to drop to a much less HP engine if they're going to keep the Z alive...

I WANT TO BELIEVE!!!

b1adesofcha0s 03-23-2012 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by LMBmikeZ (Post 1616320)
:icon18: I love when dragon ball z comes up in threads awesome!!!

If Nissan starts to go for more fuel economy with the future z's I could see it hurting them more then anything. Traditionally every time they did a model change so did the HP. Every time the new z had more power and has "according to Nissan" been faster then the previous one. So if anything they should just keep the z on course and stay away from the fuel economy turbo bs IMO.

If anything, I think they'll give it turbos to boost both fuel economy AND power. Decrease displacement (anywhere from 3.0-3.5 L), direct injection, and turbos is what I'm predicting (hoping :p) for the next Z. Something around 400 HP should be good to keep it more in line with the 5.0 and Camaro.

UNKNOWN_370 03-23-2012 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by LMBmikeZ (Post 1616320)
:icon18: I love when dragon ball z comes up in threads awesome!!!

If Nissan starts to go for more fuel economy with the future z's I could see it hurting them more then anything. Traditionally every time they did a model change so did the HP. Every time the new z had more power and has "according to Nissan" been faster then the previous one. So if anything they should just keep the z on course and stay away from the fuel economy turbo bs IMO.

Not necessarily true... Twin intakes and the A7 were designed to improve fuel economy. In the end, we gained both economy and power advantages. Wasting more gas doesn't always equal better power output. Look at the mustang 4.0 vs the 3.7 as an example. I'm sure with turbo tech nissan can harness 375hp without gas mileage dropping from where we currently are in NA form. If anything we might even gain 2mpg's on top and bottom???

LMBmikeZ 03-23-2012 09:55 AM

Dropping displacement doesn't bother me. I loved my 300zxtt and would love to see them do a remake or something like it. 3L TT would nice and like you said somewhere around the 400hp mark and then IMO I think they would have a solid seller. But that try could still pull off saying its all "performance" which would be true but would also be true to say it would have better fuel economy.

KaienZ34 03-23-2012 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by LMBmikeZ (Post 1616320)
:icon18: I love when dragon ball z comes up in threads awesome!!!

If Nissan starts to go for more fuel economy with the future z's I could see it hurting them more then anything. Traditionally every time they did a model change so did the HP. Every time the new z had more power and has "according to Nissan" been faster then the previous one. So if anything they should just keep the z on course and stay away from the fuel economy turbo bs IMO.

:rock:

LMBmikeZ 03-23-2012 10:07 AM

I just want more power and TTs lol..... Probably just do it to this Z in the end though.

Isamu 03-23-2012 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LMBmikeZ (Post 1616383)
I just want more power and TTs lol..... Probably just do it to this Z in the end though.

i just boosted my nismo:tup:

I also just recently sold one of my 300zxs... I miss it already...
and I need to pick my other 300zx up from Tucson...
ugh, I love twin turbos!!

UNKNOWN_370 03-24-2012 07:58 AM

Give me 370hp on turbos on a 2900lb chassis. Whheeeew! Now we talkin

Evil Sports 03-24-2012 08:06 AM

My Z is less than a year old and this got my attention being a former Audi-S Turbo junky/modder. I do miss the rush that 18lbs of boost can give you for short $$ mods. By the time we see a Turbo Z again I will be ready to trade my 2011 in. Looking forward to more info in this.

Endgame 03-24-2012 09:28 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............. Do I spy a return to a Z being in my garage...........?

6MT 03-24-2012 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame (Post 1619057)
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............. Do I spy a return to a Z being in my garage...........?

Good luck with that.

roplusbee 03-24-2012 11:31 PM

I agree. By the time this hits the street, my 09 will be paid off and fully decked out. I doubt I would want to trade it in, but who knows. There could be soome awesomeness to it!

Isamu 03-25-2012 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by roplusbee (Post 1619188)
I agree. By the time this hits the street, my 09 will be paid off and fully decked out. I doubt I would want to trade it in, but who knows. There could be soome awesomeness to it!

:tup:

EazyD 03-26-2012 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1616166)
Yeah I think they would just call it the Z, which they pretty much do now. If you look on their website, they don't call it a 370Z. It's called the Z Coupe and Z Roadster.

Ok, then what do they put on the trunk badge?

Z1st 03-26-2012 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 1615273)
I can see all the "should I buy now or wait for the 300ZT" threads LMAO!!!!!!!

haha you took the words right out of my mouth!!!:icon17:

sylenze 03-26-2012 12:22 AM

am probably the only one...but i think it would be cool if they finaly gave the z the fairladyZ name in america...

how about 3.0T and making the next gen z be <2600... it would be like telling yota to go back to making mommy cars and subie to go back to AWD rally cars...

b1adesofcha0s 03-26-2012 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by EazyD (Post 1620563)
Ok, then what do they put on the trunk badge?

Just a Z? I don't know, that's for Nissan to decide :p

Isamu 03-26-2012 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sylenze (Post 1620587)
am probably the only one...but i think it would be cool if they finaly gave the z the fairladyZ name in america...

how about 3.0T and making the next gen z be <2600... it would be like telling yota to go back to making mommy cars and subie to go back to AWD rally cars...

:tup::iagree:

UNKNOWN_370 03-26-2012 08:53 PM

As much as I want the Z to be fairlady. I want the G37 to become the Skyline even more... the G is going to a market who doesn't deserve to have that car in its possession.

roplusbee 03-26-2012 09:29 PM

LOL........true. Not many enthusiasts buying Infiniti's. It would be nice for Nissan to bring the "real" names to the worldwide market though. Like Gloria, Silvia, Fairlady, President, etc...........

rudi 03-26-2012 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by roplusbee (Post 1622431)
lol........true. Not many enthusiasts buying infiniti's. It would be nice for nissan to bring the "real" names to the worldwide market though. Like gloria, silvia, fairlady, president, etc...........

datsun :)

UNKNOWN_370 03-27-2012 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by rudi (Post 1622549)
datsun :)


DATSUN FTW... lol. :icon18:

Pauly 03-27-2012 08:08 AM

man im keeping my Z forever lol. im 100% satisfied. im not a modder or a racer, so i guess im less tempted when it comes to stuff like this. i will agree with one member who said they believe it could be going in the direction of better fuel economy, power gains or not. i read this in a few places about next generation sports cars, not just from nissan but automakers worldwide. more hybrids, etc. im sure like its being said that turbos will indeed gain hp in addition to helping with mph or whatever, but with the way things are going, automakers may be prioritizing fuel efficiency over pushing the platform for power? either way im always exited to see a new generation of the Z. turbo, n/a, whatever. just not whipping out the check book like matt dillan with a six shooter and chasing greener grass at this point lol. just totally stoked about the one i have i guess.

UNKNOWN_370 03-27-2012 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pauly (Post 1622821)
man im keeping my Z forever lol. im 100% satisfied. im not a modder or a racer, so i guess im less tempted when it comes to stuff like this. i will agree with one member who said they believe it could be going in the direction of better fuel economy, power gains or not. i read this in a few places about next generation sports cars, not just from nissan but automakers worldwide. more hybrids, etc. im sure like its being said that turbos will indeed gain hp in addition to helping with mph or whatever, but with the way things are going, automakers may be prioritizing fuel efficiency over pushing the platform for power? either way im always exited to see a new generation of the Z. turbo, n/a, whatever. just not whipping out the check book like matt dillan with a six shooter and chasing greener grass at this point lol. just totally stoked about the one i have i guess.


The whole fuel econ issue is a hoax to begin with. For ages there has been the technology to make 500hp cars run with 40-50mpg's. But why do it since there's so much money to be made under the current conditions. It helps automakers keep reselling cars, it makes oil companies richer and our govt getting fueled with taxes from purchases.
But Let's Pretend Corporations aren't greedy and they are really struggling to provide more fuel efficient cars????

Porsche has been able to keep there H.O. I6, 911 cars in the 430+hp range and stay in the 23-25mpg combined range over the last 7 years or so. It just proves performance doesn't have to be sacrificed for fuel econ.

Right now I get 17 mpg's pushing my car and 22mpg's driving normal. A car of this power level should easily be able to achieve 26mpg's driven easy and 22mpg's pushed hard. I can attest to having driven plenty a camaro 2SS (my favorite rental car) that I can get 18-22mpg's from a 6.0 camaro whether driving hard or mild.
There's a 68hp deficit and 130lbs of torque deficit on the Z. Also the Z weighs 600lbs less. And pushes 2.5 less litres from its engine. Mpgs can be much better without the sacrifice of 1 hp. A matter of fact, from where I can observe. It seems like the Z should be getting a combined mpg of 27mpg's on 30 extra horses. I know it can be done without turbocharging. And going the turbo route should allow for 30mpg's easily.

I'm still stumped why so many hybrids are in the 30's and 40's mpg range. They should easily be pushing 60-70's mpg range.

Pauly 03-27-2012 11:23 AM

i agree with all of that. im not sure that all the technology is shared between companies, but of course a lot of it is. im just saying how the market is changing, at least the way we see cars advertised and the final product we get when we buy one. of course they are holding back and are greedy liars. no secret there. ultimately, if they market a "sporty" car to a potential frugal buyer base, they are expecting to sell more cars then if they boast huge hp with no enticing mpg gains, since fuel is through the roof and the economy is in the toilet. what puzzles me though is that there are a lot of wealthy people who will always buy that fire breathing fuel guzzling monster of a car no matter how high gas goes. and that will account for a lot of if not majority of sales?? idk government sucks man

Pauly 03-27-2012 11:24 AM

holy cow i got way off topic lol. sorry OP

bigsix 03-27-2012 11:34 AM

If Nissan was able to make it work, I could see them putting a sporty CVT transmission in a future Z. The Z will stay rear-wheel drive, tho. I'd like it if they offered 2 engine choices like with the 300zx.

Pauly 03-27-2012 11:40 AM

i liked the cvt in my maxima. i think im liking the gear box on this thing a little more though. lol im gonna check back on this thread, as i suspect a few guys will admit that the cvt is for slushboxes! like i was saying though, im all for anything new and innovative. and i totally agree with you about more options.


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