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TerribleONE 03-15-2012 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 1601614)
Ssshhhh....waiting to see if he has realized they never tested radar detectors.

:bowrofl: :tup:

frost 03-15-2012 03:41 PM

Interstate 10 and 17 out of phoenix (to Cally and Nevada) are monitored by two small planes. IIRC correctly, they measure your speed based on how much time elapses from when hit one mile marker to another (which was probably already mentioned, but I dont' have the time to read through the entire thread).

ZMan8 03-15-2012 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 1601621)
Interstate 10 and 17 out of phoenix are monitored by two small planes. IIRC correctly, they measure your speed based on how much time elapses from when hit one mile marker to another (which was probably already mentioned, but I dont' have the time to read through the entire thread).

A lot of people are referencing the south for sky monitoring. Anybody know if midwest has this anywhere?

TerribleONE 03-15-2012 03:45 PM

I know they do it in so cal.. cant say anything about the midwest though

thetaste 03-15-2012 03:46 PM

When I ran a detector, I would cruise along the highway and wait until a faster car passed, let them get a little ahead and start pacing them. If we came up on a cop, my detector would go off, so I would slow down and they would get the ticket.
Has worked for me many times.
I called it running a rabbit.

ZMan8 03-15-2012 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by thetaste (Post 1601643)
When I ran a detector, I would cruise along the highway and wait until a faster car passed, let them get a little ahead and start pacing them. If we came up on a cop, my detector would go off, so I would slow down and they would get the ticket.
Has worked for me many times.
I called it running a rabbit.

I do that from time to time as well. Just watch out the cops that will come from behind.

Mecinoid 03-15-2012 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thetaste (Post 1601643)
When I ran a detector, I would cruise along the highway and wait until a faster car passed, let them get a little ahead and start pacing them. If we came up on a cop, my detector would go off, so I would slow down and they would get the ticket.
Has worked for me many times.
I called it running a rabbit.

That works .... :ugh2:

gsxr750 03-15-2012 03:50 PM

I think they had some detectors along with jammers in the cars, just using there findings to illustrate the point. With the advent of k band radar and hand held laser units, you simply are not going to beat them. You may not get nailed because the cop was clocking someone else or your speed wasn't enough for him to go after you. But most of the time if the cop has you targeted and you are clocked in his set speed range, then he will probably ticket you.

One again if anyone has a sight that posted real world independent lab testing, please do.

onzedge 03-15-2012 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thetaste (Post 1601643)
When I ran a detector, I would cruise along the highway and wait until a faster car passed, let them get a little ahead and start pacing them. If we came up on a cop, my detector would go off, so I would slow down and they would get the ticket.
Has worked for me many times.
I called it running a rabbit.

Hey Moe!!! Nice strategy. I have employed it successfully myself.

gbrettin 03-15-2012 03:51 PM

They don't use aircraft to report speed in mid-west Mi, that I know of.

thetaste 03-15-2012 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecinoid (Post 1601652)
That works .... :ugh2:

Your post was helpful.
Thanks.

gbrettin 03-15-2012 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thetaste (Post 1601643)
When I ran a detector, I would cruise along the highway and wait until a faster car passed, let them get a little ahead and start pacing them. If we came up on a cop, my detector would go off, so I would slow down and they would get the ticket.
Has worked for me many times.
I called it running a rabbit.

Done this many times. It works well.

Mecinoid 03-15-2012 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ZMan8 (Post 1601648)
I do that from time to time as well. Just watch out the cops that will come from behind.

Yeah, good point. It might be best if your in the middle of a group and then drop out when the detector goes off. Done this many times and I get funny looks when the others pass. They can't figure it out until they see the cops and I see brake lights. I'm still in wonderment. If I see a hot sports car slow down after running it with my SUV* I figure he knows something I don't so I slow down.

For some people, thinking isn't their strong suit.

* I can use my detector in the SUV, but generally don't because it's so obvious in the SUV. It's somewhat hidden in the Z car.

gurneyeagle 03-15-2012 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1601655)
Hey Moe!!! Nice strategy. I have employed it successfully myself.

Me too! I don't even run a radar detector anymore. I either just join a convoy or run at 10 mph over on cruise control.

Mecinoid 03-15-2012 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by thetaste (Post 1601660)
Your post was helpful.
Thanks.

Lol, not really ... but, it was a good of you to mention the tactic and I wanted to give you props. :hello:

eddieconfetti 03-15-2012 04:04 PM

radar detectors aint gonna help u with tickets. u can not rely on it.

LMBmikeZ 03-15-2012 04:14 PM

I think this has been mentioned almost once per page on this thread :facepalm: If someone still hasn't figured that out and they have made it this far then I would think

A) they didn't read the whole thread

Or

B) they are just stupid!

:shakes head:

ccdominic 03-15-2012 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxr750 (Post 1601653)
I think they had some detectors along with jammers in the cars, just using there findings to illustrate the point. With the advent of k band radar and hand held laser units, you simply are not going to beat them. You may not get nailed because the cop was clocking someone else or your speed wasn't enough for him to go after you. But most of the time if the cop has you targeted and you are clocked in his set speed range, then he will probably ticket you.

One again if anyone has a sight that posted real world independent lab testing, please do.

prolly a cop. too pro-cop/anti-radar to not be.

Bonzo 03-15-2012 04:53 PM

Like I Said Back On Page #2
 
....and both these things still hold true.

#1. All threads on topics like this wind up going down in flames over radar detectors and or speeding. They are a waste of time. :shakes head:

#2. gsxr750, you and people like you who say good detectors don't work have ZERO clue what you are talking about. None. Notta. Zippo. Ziltch. :rolleyes::facepalm::shakes head:

This thread jumped the shark about 5 pages back.

I'm outta here. Cheers --- Bonzo :tup:

gsxr750 03-15-2012 04:53 PM

I'm not a cop and I personally only found 2 in my life that did any service, one was actually a beat cop on the street in Buffalo New York that really did his job and another one that caught a pick pocket for me, that cop died in a shooting later. From what I found most cops are really just collecting a high pay check for doing nothing but harassing innocent ppl for basic BS minor petty crimes, that should not be crimes at all and not really protecting the public as the are paid to do.

I also had enough run ins with cops witnessing , false charges, outright lies,beatings,cops bragging about how they beat up ppl and fabricate charges etc.

Other issue when ppl shell out $400-$500 for a useless radar dector, no one wants to admit it.

ZMan8 03-15-2012 05:02 PM

:facepalm:

TerribleONE 03-15-2012 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ZMan8 (Post 1601832)
:facepalm:

:werd: :ughdance:

onzedge 03-15-2012 05:24 PM

I am jumping in here before the thread gets closed.

I have been using radar detection since the mid-eighties and have always used Escort/Passport products. I currently use a 9500ix and a Solo (when I rent cars). Are they foolproof? No. Do they prevent tickets? No. Do I use them just so I can feel protected and speed more? No.

It is foolish to think that a good radar detector will keep you from getting pulled over. It is equally foolish to make statements about how useless they are.

Effective radar detection like the kind you get with higher-end units has saved me from several tickets over the years. I have always driven vehicles that can easily exceed posted speed limits and they do not always provide feedback about how fast I am going. I also do not drive along looking constantly at the speedo. Radar detection helps keep me mindful of who may be out there looking to cite folks. Several dozen times, I have been lit up, quickly glance down and check my speed and then slow down if needed only to let someone else get the hit.

On the flip side, the last speeding ticket I got was about 5 years ago in one of my 240Z's. Heading up hwy 99 toward Yuba City at o'dark thirty in the morning (the road is two lanes on each side with a turn lane running down the middle) I saw a CHP coming the opposite direction. My radar emitted a single beep and as he passed, I saw his brake lights come on in my side view mirror.

He got me going over the limit by a bit. I asked how he got me, because he saw my detector. Instant on radar was the reply. It is hard to counter that, I said, and he agreed.

Radar detection is smart, in my opinion, but it is not a panacea. You still have to use your head, pay attention, buy good equipment and do not drive like an idiot.

TerribleONE 03-15-2012 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1601872)
I am jumping in here before the thread gets closed.

I have been using radar detection since the mid-eighties and have always used Escort/Passport products. I currently use a 9500ix and a Solo (when I rent cars). Are they foolproof? No. Do they prevent tickets? No. Do I use them just so I can feel protected and speed more? No.

It is foolish to think that a good radar detector will keep you from getting pulled over. It is equally foolish to make statements about how useless they are.

Effective radar detection like the kind you get with higher-end units has saved me from several tickets over the years. I have always driven vehicles that can easily exceed posted speed limits and they do not always provide feedback about how fast I am going. I also do not drive along looking constantly at the speedo. Radar detection helps keep me mindful of who may be out there looking to cite folks. Several dozen times, I have been lit up, quickly glance down and check my speed and then slow down if needed only to let someone else get the hit.

On the flip side, the last speeding ticket I got was about 5 years ago in one of my 240Z's. Heading up hwy 99 toward Yuba City at o'dark thirty in the morning (the road is two lanes on each side with a turn lane running down the middle) I saw a CHP coming the opposite direction. My radar emitted a single beep and as he passed, I saw his brake lights come on in my side view mirror.

He got me going over the limit by a bit. I asked how he got me, because he saw my detector. Instant on radar was the reply. It is hard to counter that, I said, and he agreed.

Radar detection is smart, in my opinion, but it is not a panacea. You still have to use your head, pay attention, buy good equipment and do not drive like an idiot.

I agree however you are kind of contradicting yourself.. you said it cant prevent tickets but then said it saved you numerous times? I dont think anyone is trying to argue that you can drive like a mad man with a radar detector and not get caught, that is just a unrealistic expectation. I too have gotten a ticket with my detector, however its saved me way more times than it has let me down

mantella87 03-15-2012 05:30 PM

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MacCool 03-15-2012 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by eddieconfetti (Post 1601692)
radar detectors aint gonna help u with tickets. u can not rely on it.

A radar detector is going to help you with tickets, but no, you cannot rely on it. It will give you an edge, but it's no guarantee. They may be able to nail you if you're the only car on the road, but the excellent range of modern radar detectors can certainly let you know when the cop hits the guy 1/2 mile in front of you. Drive smart, use the traffic around you wisely and they are certainly a worthwhile investment. Over the years, radar detectors have cost me far less money than I'd ever spend on the tickets and insurance consequences that they've saved me.

ZMan8 03-15-2012 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1601872)
I am jumping in here before the thread gets closed.

I have been using radar detection since the mid-eighties and have always used Escort/Passport products. I currently use a 9500ix and a Solo (when I rent cars). Are they foolproof? No. Do they prevent tickets? No. Do I use them just so I can feel protected and speed more? No.

It is foolish to think that a good radar detector will keep you from getting pulled over. It is equally foolish to make statements about how useless they are.

Effective radar detection like the kind you get with higher-end units has saved me from several tickets over the years. I have always driven vehicles that can easily exceed posted speed limits and they do not always provide feedback about how fast I am going. I also do not drive along looking constantly at the speedo. Radar detection helps keep me mindful of who may be out there looking to cite folks. Several dozen times, I have been lit up, quickly glance down and check my speed and then slow down if needed only to let someone else get the hit.

On the flip side, the last speeding ticket I got was about 5 years ago in one of my 240Z's. Heading up hwy 99 toward Yuba City at o'dark thirty in the morning (the road is two lanes on each side with a turn lane running down the middle) I saw a CHP coming the opposite direction. My radar emitted a single beep and as he passed, I saw his brake lights come on in my side view mirror.

He got me going over the limit by a bit. I asked how he got me, because he saw my detector. Instant on radar was the reply. It is hard to counter that, I said, and he agreed.

Radar detection is smart, in my opinion, but it is not a panacea. You still have to use your head, pay attention, buy good equipment and do not drive like an idiot.

:iagree: :tiphat:

onzedge 03-15-2012 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TerribleONE (Post 1601883)
I agree however you are kind of contradicting yourself.. you said it cant prevent tickets but then said it saved you numerous times? I dont think anyone is trying to argue that you can drive like a mad man with a radar detector and not get caught, that is just a unrealistic expectation. I too have gotten a ticket with my detector, however its saved me way more times than it has let me down

I agree. My wording may be a bit off. I meant that they do not provide an absolute guarantee. My post also explains that I got a ticket even with a detector.

ImportConvert 03-15-2012 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eddieconfetti (Post 1601692)
radar detectors aint gonna help u with tickets. u can not rely on it.

Mine has helped make me more aware of the threats in my area. This helps me avoid tickets.

Highway 03-15-2012 07:54 PM

I've been using my V1 radar detector for about 3 years now and still think it's worth every penny and then some, but I'm obviously an idiot.

Luckily, I have a convertible so I can spot a huge blimp while driving. :)

onzedge 03-15-2012 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1601973)
Mine has helped make me more aware of the threats in my area. This helps me avoid tickets.

:tup:

ak6ar 03-15-2012 10:33 PM

Ok a couple quick points I want to make:

1) When the police are doing overhead / aircraft based monitoring of speed they are using automated systems (like VASCAR+) that can measure speed with quite a bit of accuracy. They can monitor a side of a highway with a single aircraft, report speeds of all cars below and radio those to police who are waiting below. It's a pretty accurate and efficient system, it does cost quite a bit to run and therefore many jurisdictions have stopped using it due to the expense involved.

2) Radar detectors do exactly what they say they do. Same is true with laser detectors. This doesn't mean they will prevent you from getting a ticket. They provide you with additional information, under specific circumstances, and if you understand the information you are receiving it can possibly assist you in avoiding a ticket. In quite a few circumstances (instant-on etc) they may turn out to be too late, or effectively useless. Depending on your driving style, jurisdiction, and how you react to that information a radar or laser detector may be very useful or totally useless to you.

3) While radar jammers are illegal, laser jammer's currently are legal in quite a few US jurisdictions. Laser jammer's do work and basically cause the operator (the person with the laser gun) to not be able to get proper reading on your vehicle speed (so they get an error or are unable to get a reading at all). The problems with these devices tends to be range, how fast do they come on, and do they work against the right type of laser gun (i.e. against the correct pulse/signal/etc). Additionally not all police departments use laser guns, so you have to figure out whether or not this is good for you in your jurisdiction.

If you are pulled over for speeding, be courteous and respectful. Remember the police officer is just doings their job, they don't make the laws.


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