Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1599066)

Year model has to be considered. We know that nissan is forever tweaking there cars in general and not making any announcements. You feel difference when you had time in each car. For example: salesguys that take Z's home feel the difference from year to year. Or like I did going from an 09 to an 11 on the suspension. 11's spring response is more refined in absorption of bumps.
Its possible to VDC has been mildly tweaked enough not to be as intrusive in 11-12???Which are the cars you are familiar with. 09-10 basically went untweaked except for some TSB's, small feature upgrades like brighter nav, screen, backup cam heated mirrors and air filter. 2011 marked subtle tweaks to improve overall ride and drive quality that weren't made known to the gen-pop, like sound deadening added. But most dealers and car reviewers do know of the mild refinements which occured. That's why the 2011 was re-reviewed by a few car mags.

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1598899)

I was driving smooth, not pushing the car. Exiting a banked corner in 3rd gear and rolling onto the throttle while straightening the wheel. I rolled onto it just fast enough to try to move the back end gradually. I felt it more 1-2" or so it felt, and VDC prevented any more. For the street, this is just fine, if not preferable, for me.

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1597856)

I never provoked the traction control in my 'vette. It stayed out of my way, I stayed out of it's way. Either that, or it was so seamless and gave no indication, that I never noticed it.

I am comparing the VDC to the TC in my 2001 Trans Am, which was HORRIBLE.

Originally Posted by _ace_ (Post 1600094)

"Sport Mode" and ALL electronic throttle"

Originally Posted by wstar (Post 1600405)

If you have a 6MT car, and you don't mind the loss of Synchro-Rev-Match, you *can* disable all the electronic throttle interference via UpRev. There's a setting near the bottom of the config for "ETC off". You definitely lose SRM, and you probably also lose throttle rev limits (but I didn't test that), so you'd be on your own and then the hard fuel cut rev limits (normally there's a soft throttle rev limit before that). The throttle control is amazing though, it feels like an old school cable throttle again.

I couldn't keep it like that on my 7AT though, because the 7AT relies on SRM to shift smoothly. It's horribly and clunky with ETC off.

Originally Posted by wstar (Post 1600430)

I didn't test the auto-downshift with ETC off, but in general ETC off + 7AT isn't a usable combination, I don't think. When you try to downshift it can't match right and goes all clunky. I only tried it for about a quarter mile then pulled over and re-programmed though. Maybe if I played with it more I could figure out whether you can match revs yourself with the 7AT in that mode, but I'm not sure how tricky the timing would be, given all the various internal bits engaging and disengaging on their own time and lagged from the button input.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1600490)

How would you rev match without a clutch?

Originally Posted by wstar (Post 1600659)

Exactly. Our 7AT's actually really good about the lockup part too, it's only squishy for a brief moment mid-shift. The shifting logic relies on the 7AT's own version of SRM though, which dies when you turn ETC off. Now I'm really tempted to go play with it more and see if it's possible to make up for the loss of ETC by trying to manually match. I think the problem is going to be that the window for blipping is going to be very tiny and a little bit unpredictable though.

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1600500)

Automatics have clutches. Even ones with tq converters. Also, hydraulic lock-up is indeed following the same concept as a clutch, it's just viscous.