Thinking of selling...
 

As many of you may know, I got my pre-order 370 back in January, and it has been a fabulous 5 months with the car. It really is a blast in every way and I have no issues with the car whatsoever.

An opportunity has arisen however, that may be difficult for me to pass up. There are a few cars that I always have my eyes on for a chance to pick up, and this is one of them.

A beautifully kept MKIV Supra Turbo 6spd has recently come across my radar, and it has peaked my curiosity to say the least. Finding them in good condition with relatively low miles and un-molested is an increasingly rare occurrence.

Unfortunately, my better-half will not allow two less-than-practical sports cars.

I have a feeling the Supra will retain it's value far better over time than the 370 will (much as it has over the past 15 years), and the car has been a bit of a dream for me since I was a wee boy.

I understand I would be giving up a brand new car, under warranty for a nearly 15 year old car, which makes me a bit nervous to be honest.

Anything I should be aware of or consider?

I don't know how you use your Z....If it's a weekend toy then you should probably pursue your dream. If it's a daily driver, I'd seriously reconsider. Putting a pristine classic into daily service that you wish to preserve will be hard on the nerves AND the car. I predict you'd soon wish to relegate it to weekend duty which would require the purchase of another car for daily service... You should also go drive the Supra...Sometimes our Dreams/expectations are way out of proportion with reality. An old car is STILL an old car. BTDT....Just some thoughts on the idea..

Thanks much for the thoughts, very relevant points. We have a couple other vehicles at our disposal so the 370 is not my daily driver, though I often find myself searching for excuses to take it to work. If I pull the trigger on the Supra it will be relegated to weekend duties and occasional weekly use.

The Supra has around 65k original miles.

Couldn't have said it better. :tup:

Previously, I used to use my S13 as my daily driver; well yeah... used car is a used car. It had a low mileage SR20, but the chasis being as old as it was constantly needing parts replaced. Made it crazy difficult to depend on it.

Getting up in the morning and knowing my car will start and run every morning... :rolleyes: :driving:

See post #3, this is not my only car ;)

The point is irrelevant regardless as I use public transportation to get to my office most days.

This will be kept as a weekend toy at best, much as my 370 is at the moment.

You only live once. If you have wanted one since you were a kid I'd buy the Supra. If you don't like it you can probably resell it for close to what you paid for it. You will take a serious bath on the Z though.

BTW good advice from Modshack.

:iagree: Life is short—enjoy it!

How much they asking for the Supra...$40,000?:ughdance:

Hey if you've got the money (and more importantly, the stomach to lose a lot of it...) by all means go get it. The Supra is an amazing piece of engineering.

oooh... you got me there... :icon14:
i was writing my reply when you posted! :eekdance:

Anyways, good luck with your decision!

Good point, I would be taking a bit of a hit on the Z, though I would be regardless of what I choose to do. I am not upside down on the Z so I will keep positive about it.

When I got to a point in life that I could seriously consider buying a Supra I was a bit turned off by it due to all the rice movies glorifying it as the king ricer. Now that all that has hopefully blown over I wouldn't be embarrassed to drive one :tup:

Money is not the issue, I am more concerned with being as entertained with the Supra as I am with the Z, and given my attachment to the car I don't want to make a blind decision that I may regret down the line, as I have never spent much time with a Supra.

I will be traveling to see the car this weekend so hopefully that will give me a better idea.

No worries, thanks much!

I am giddy just thinking about the prospect of making the move.

Sickness
 

The Supra tuned with a T-88 is just re-damn-diculous. Who cares if it has 65K on it. Depending on price that they are asking........you could easily O/H the Supra and be spending comparably the same end cost. (Depending on which 370 you bought) Keep in mind, your probably gonna take it up the :icon23: when selling the Z. Every mile you increase on the odometer/is an equivalent decrease in resale value......sadly enough.

Im a Nissan guy, but you gotta pursue your dreams bro. Plus your wife is giving you a thumbs up.......are you serious? Go for the Supra.

Money is not the issue, I am more concerned with being as entertained with the Supra as I am with the Z, and given my attachment to the car I don't want to make a blind decision that I may regret down the line, as I have never spent much time with a Supra.

I will be traveling to see the car this weekend so hopefully that will give me a better idea.[/QUOTE]

My buddy had one in Yokohama, Japan where I lived. Kept the tuning within limits. Only 585hp to the wheels. BLAST to drive. I like feeling the azz break loose when you romp on it. I never really could feel that since I only had GT-R's. 4wd just wont slide out from under you. Wasnt gonna pull my fuses to make it RWD only and jack the cpu system. None the less I loved it when I tooled around in his Supra. You wont be disappointed at all. As far as the ricer movie analogy.........They have utilized the Supra, Skyline,RX-7 and Mitsubishi......so who cares. I promise you, get the Supra, make it look nice(minus the rediculous sticker tuning that some people do) and nobody will even think of you as driving a ricer movie race car.

Contrary to some peoples belief, each sticker added does not increase HP by 5.

Very true, the car I am interested in is BPU+ putting out ~420whp, stock ct28 snails.

I understand I would be taking a bit of a hit on the Z, but I would be regardless at some point down the line even if I keep it, it will never be worth what I paid for it. The Supra on the other hand...

I am not really loyal to any brand, so I don't mind the shift, I have owned quite a few Toyota's and Nissan's.

My Z is a base with the sports package in 6MT with a few small options (MSRP just shy of $34k), it has under 4k miles. I would probably list at $29k and go from there.

Beautiful R33 btw...

Don't blame ya.

SINCE WHEN!?!

:rofl2: LMAO!! :rofl2:

Good luck
 

Well, good luck.......whatever your choice. The Z is a very enjoyable drive, with upgraded curves that make her look beautiful. But, a dream is a dream. If you can make it a reality................:tiphat:

Im not bashing the supra but i have a feeling the dream affect will be lost after you own it.

It will be like, wheres my rev match? Wheres my .99g skid pad? etc etc

lol duly noted on the stickers, thanks

I love the Supra as it looks from the factory, but along with the aforementioned BPU+ mods, the car has Volk TE28's and 98 headlights.

Im sure the 28's look great on the Supra. I had the Volks on my Skyline that is my Avatar. Love em....simpley love em.

Indeed you may be right, but I would always regret it if I didn't at least entertain the possibility given the opportunity in front of me.

I have gotten quite accustomed to the rev match oddly enough, I hope to see this on more cars in the future.

Rev Match?
 

Really.....you would wonder where your rev match is? Cant even tell I have it. Heal/toe is like a man law.

I've never heard of Volk TE28s. TE37s, yes, but not TE28s. Do you by chance have a pic? I'm curious to see what these look like. Or did you maybe mean CE28s?

Had to mean CE
 

Had to mean CE28's, or CE28n. I loved the GT-C's myself.

Oops, yes they are CE's, not TE's, my mistake.

Here is a picture of the car

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_KV5xBfjLX60/Sh...0/IMG_0415.JPG

Actually...those look like TE37s to me. This is what CE28s look like:

http://www.rays-msc.com/wheels/img_s/11-2-160322.jpg

Not that it really matters. Either way, those are awesome looking rims on a very nice looking car.

Here's a pic of TE37 in 'Mercury Silver' (from the Rays website). I think that's what's on this Supra.

http://www.rays-msc.com/wheels/img/T...curySilver.jpg

You're right Semtex, I knew I had one of them right. They are plainly the TE's

Tuned???Engine pics??
 

Thats a damn shame having such a large aftermarket intercooler installed with a stock front end. Kills the point with the lack of air flow. Car looks great on the outside.......cept for that stock front end, and Ive never been a huge fan of the Whale fin of a spoiler. Can you post up some engine bay pics?

i just learned how to drive manual in 3 months and i learned with rev match. I have yet to try to down shift with out it hehe.

Just curious why you didn't hold out for a Supra in the first place? I mean if it was your dream car and all...

The guy is pretty particular with keeping stock bodies, and I am personally not a huge fan of body kits, though a slightly larger, stock looking front end may be in order. I also am a fan of the wingless MKIV's and that would be something I would look into, though I can't knock the wing as it came from the factory that way.

Engine bay:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_KV5xBfjLX60/Sh...0/IMG_0391.JPG

They are rather rare to come by in a particular condition, I could never quite find one within my price range and in an acceptable condition. My last couple of cars have been Z's so the 370 was a natural choice for me.

I just traded in my MKIV for the Z. I absolutely loved the supra and always will. It got to the point where it just wasn't making a good daily driver and I wanted something that was still fun, but more liveable/reliable.

My supra was a single turbo making about 420 rwhp. I pretty much had the car setup for the street/road course.

As a weekend only car, I think that you will enjoy the supra more. It's just one of those cars that is incredible to drive and is very rare.

If you are not mechanically inclined, it is very hard to find reputable people to work on the cars. That was one thing I struggled with and it became very frustrating. I can do basic stuff, but for advanced things I had to try and find someone that had some clue about the cars.

Good Luck with your decision!

Thanks much for the insight!

I think I will need to spend some time in the Supra in order to make a proper decision. The more I think about it the more I am leaning toward sticking the Z, but I have a feeling once I get to spend some time the Supra it will be a much more difficult decision.

I really do love this forum. Very even handed answers. I am a previous MKIV TT owner and regret to this day every selling the car.

Just some history lessons for those asking where the .99 skidpad rating etc are, the Supra came very close IIRC did reach 99 in some tests.

I am too lazy to pull up the comparison. It finished second only to the NSX on a track day even against all the other 90s JDM super cars.

Also some interesting facts pulled from the WIKI..

The Supra was also lighter than the Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 and the Nissan 300ZX Turbo. Despite its curb weight, in 1994 the MKIV managed a remarkable skidpad rating of 0.95 lateral g's (200ft) or 0.98 lateral g's (300ft) [1] due in part to a four-sensor four-channel track tuned ABS system with yaw control whereby each caliper is sensored and the brakes are controlled individually according to the speed, angle, and pitch of the approaching corner. This unique Formula One inspired braking system allowed the Supra Turbo to record a 70 mph (110 km/h) -0 braking distance of 149 feet (45 m) [2], the best braking performance of any production car tested in 1997 by Car and Driver magazine. This record was finally broken in 2004 by 3 feet (0.91 m) by a Porsche Carrera GT.


I assume you would be purchasing a Targa. I loved popping the targa off and going cruising. One thing the Z will never match is the pure joy of that smooth 3 liter Inline 6 in the Supra. Whenever I ride in my friends 335i I lust for that engine, because it is every bit as smooth and compelling at higher revs than the 335is..

The Supra is a collectible. The whole old car debate IMO is fairly irrelevant, aside from things like Nav and more interior features the car is very modern. As long as you can maintain it in a healthy state it's not going to be outclassed by much. If you stick with BPU, you are looking at a mid 12 second car with 115-118 traps, which used to be nearly world beating, is still very fast.

It's a very nice car just to drive around in when you are not completely trashing it. If you miss the 370 you can always pick one up used, your supra will hold its value.

I love both cars, but I will always hold a special fondness for the Supra. I had an absolute blast in that car, live the dream! The 370 isn't going anywhere and the Supra will only become more difficult to obtain as it gets older.:ugh2:

That would be my only input in the situation. I would get the Supra if thats what I really wanted as long as I could do any work on it myself. Cost can be high and finding reputable mechanics can be a nightmare. I love my 91 Z32TT, and I do all the work on it myself.

I remember using the Supra in the first ever Need for Speed game. I also got to test drive it once, it's ridiculous. Personally, it's a tough choice to let go of the "latest and greatest" for a classic. You could always TT the Z but it still ain't no Supra.

Imagine if you did get the Supra, are you going to preserve its miles for resale value? Or you could be taking out the Z instead for a nice Sunday cruise/spirited driving.

Looks promising
 

[QUOTE=ctzn;82897]The guy is pretty particular with keeping stock bodies, and I am personally not a huge fan of body kits, though a slightly larger, stock looking front end may be in order. I also am a fan of the wingless MKIV's and that would be something I would look into, though I can't knock the wing as it came from the factory that way.

Looks good. Im not a fan of body kits either, just dont like a stock front end if your going to spend money on performance parts.......at least let them do their job at maximum efficiency.
Make sure you get all the info possible on current owners habbits. From the pic it looks like a shift lamp mounted on the dash. Dont need that unless your red-lining on a constant basis. 6.5K RPM dumps dont treat the clutch, tranny, rear end all that well either. Im only mentioning this cause its been mentioned previously about finding a knowledgable/reputable mechanic to work on the Supra. The inline 6 is a GREAT engine.....but its not going to withstand hard driving forever.
Glad Im not in your shoes..........I would be racking my brains out trying to make this choice. Then again, Im strictly Nissan, so I guess it wouldnt be that difficult for me. Good luck bro.

Indeed I do not believe I will be missing anything in the performance department. The car sits on fully adjustable coilovers and with the BPU+ mods should be a real screamer on the highway.

Your last two paragraphs capture my thinking quite well and present the difficulty in making the decision.

Thanks for your insight.

Yes thanks for highlighting the importance of probing for the history of the car. Surely, I can not avoid a Supra that has not taken any abuse. The gentleman that currently owns it rarely drives it however, as he has a modified 996 Turbo. At least I feel better that it was in the hands of an enthusiast and not some clueless kid.

A tough decision awaits me no doubt, I will update after I get a chance to spend some time with the car. I would like to think of it as a win-win for me though :tup: