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bluem5 05-30-2009 10:34 AM

So the 19 inch wheels or the Sport Package not available in Middle East & Australia??
 
Can anyone confirm this? why are we unable to get this package? :confused:

Do we just get the standard 18 inch wheels? :shakes head:

Does the US also get Brembo? :ugh2:

This is a make it or break it deal for me. :mad:

The car doesnt look the same without those sporty 19 inch wheels IMO.

Hoping to get some info from this awesome forum. PLEASE!! :driving:

ChrisSlicks 05-30-2009 11:30 AM

You get the all sport package with the exception of the wheels. The brakes on the sport package are Akebono not Brembo - world wide. The are equivalent to the cheap Brembo's that were on the 350Z.

I wouldn't cry over the wheels, just order some nice after market wheels or buy some take off sport wheels from the US and have them shipped.

bluem5 05-30-2009 12:56 PM

Thanks Chris. It just boggles my mind why Nissan would allow themselves to do this.

NOBODY wants a watered down product specially when we are paying top dollars for it.

We pay more from over here (at least 20% more) from this part of the world and we get less for it.

It should be the other way around. We pay more so we GET MORE. Simple.

If I want 19 inch wheels from Nissan then I should damn well get it from my Nissan dealership and I should not have to bother ordering it from the US.

Just another extra cost for no reason at all.

evse82 05-30-2009 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bluem5 (Post 81126)
Thanks Chris. It just boggles my mind why Nissan would allow themselves to do this.

NOBODY wants a watered down product specially when we are paying top dollars for it.

We pay more from over here (at least 20% more) from this part of the world and we get less for it.

It should be the other way around. We pay more so we GET MORE. Simple.

If I want 19 inch wheels from Nissan then I should damn well get it from my Nissan dealership and I should not have to bother ordering it from the US.

Just another extra cost for no reason at all.

I was in the same position, i really wanted the 19's. Try writing a letter to Nissan, I did, hopefully they offer it as an option if they know so many people want them....

bluem5 05-30-2009 11:14 PM

I definately will.

If anyone has a rough draft of what to write to Nissan here in the Middle East I would love to read it and then send it to them.

Plagerism? Yes.... I do that.:icon17:

Anyone here from the Middle East?!?!?!? Make your voices heard. Youre getting screwed.:tiphat:

FricFrac 05-31-2009 12:51 AM

Nissan is a little weak on giving the customer what they want if they aren't in the US of A - sad especially considering how the economy is right now you think it would be the other way around.... they did do some things right like making the car about the same price in Canada as it is in the US instead of $10K higher oh and we did get the European Fog Light as well.... very nice. No options other than Sports and Nav. Can only get in Touring (fine by me). No options on interior. What options do you have in Australia (other than no wheels with the Sports package which I can fully side with you in that it sucks hard)?

evse82 05-31-2009 03:43 AM

There are no options at all in Australia.... only an auto or manual. Only thing are the reverse sensors, which I'd assume are dealer installed.

Ours come in with nav (but no hard drive) and sport package minus the 19" rims.

Plus we pay $67,990 AUD for the manual, so it works out being $20K USD more than what people pay in the US for a fully featured one........

GTRFAN 05-31-2009 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by evse82 (Post 81738)
Plus we pay $67,990 AUD for the manual, so it works out being $20K USD more than what people pay in the US for a fully featured one........

Yeah we really do get shafted here with the price of cars. On the surface you would think it would be cheaper to deliver cars here from Japan as we also drive on the left (no expensive second production line) and it's geographically closer than the US and frequented by cargo ships all day every day. But sadly, it's all about protecting our tiny car industry and the population demand....or lack of it.

You guys in the states really do have it well.

On a slightly side comparison (while Im ranting). I used to live in London and when the American store Abercrombie and Fitch opened, all they did was put a £ sticker over the $ sign and kept the price. At the time the UK pound was double the value of the US dollar, so they effectively doubled the cost of each garment.

rant over :)

370er 05-31-2009 07:47 AM

I've also wondered why our prices aren't better considering we are closer to Japan and the fact the steering wheel and controls are the same side. The US are opposite and they're getting better value and more options. Supply and demand I guess. But that doesn't explain why the 19 inch wheels are not even an option. Quite a dumb decision for them to not even have them optional. Before the 370Z landed in Australia us aussies were all reading reviews and looking at photos on the net that were 9/10 times with the 19 inch wheels. So we expected and made the assumption that they'd have the 19s here. Even at the Melbourne Motor Show when I saw the car with 18 inch I said "surely they will have the 19s optional" but what a disappointment that turned out to be. Chances are the 2010 model will have them but i'm looking at other cars now. Sorry for ranting on too :p.

bluem5 05-31-2009 08:29 AM

All Rants are welcome!!!:roflpuke2: I feel your pain and confusion. Dont be sorry.

You would think that in a crisis like this automakers would bend over backwards to make a sale and satisfy clients. One more reason to fire the CEOs because all they care about is their deep pockets, bonuses, and private jets. I cant believe someone at Nissan didn't notice that "hey wait a minute, why arent the Aussie consumers being offered the 19 inch rims, especially when they pay more."

I just don't know who made that call. Their decision to not get us 19 inch rims is so irrational I want to strangle his or her over payed neck. :owned:

Im afraid if I dont get the rims I wont purchase this car. Just to make a statement.

ChrisSlicks 05-31-2009 04:10 PM

Australia has a hefty import duty on cars which is part of the reason the Z is so expensive. They do it to protect the local industry, but it just hurts consumers in the long run.

FricFrac 05-31-2009 09:52 PM

Its hard to imagine why anyone would even want a sports car without the sports features.... or why a car manufacture wouldn't "get it"....

370er 06-01-2009 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by bluem5 (Post 81761)
Im afraid if I dont get the rims I wont purchase this car. Just to make a statement.

That's how I feel. I would have been willing to pay more for the 19 inch. I would have brought the car by now but no 19s has delayed my decision. I'm now looking at other cars that actually provide options and respect their customers. Nissan Japan should be the ones who decide on the options each country has but I guess it doesn't work like that.

370er 06-01-2009 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 81926)
Australia has a hefty import duty on cars which is part of the reason the Z is so expensive. They do it to protect the local industry, but it just hurts consumers in the long run.

Yeah that's the problem. If no cars were Australian made then imported cars would most likely be a lot cheaper.

NissanZ46 06-01-2009 06:01 AM

Guys - same here, with 19" not being offered I'm not even considering the 370 any more. Its an abolute BS, and yes -TAXES= its all there to protect some stupid tiny auto industry in Oz, as if they make decent sports cars anyway - If I'm after the Z or some other sports coupe I wouldn't even considering getting a big, lumpy 4-door sedan made in Oz.

GTRFAN 06-01-2009 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 81926)
Australia has a hefty import duty on cars which is part of the reason the Z is so expensive. They do it to protect the local industry, but it just hurts consumers in the long run.

Exactly...They bump up the price to make a Holden sh1tbox V8 look good value for money. If Holden had any idea they would start building cars people actually want, not just what the Bogans want.

Wheels - I've said it before....we WILL get the 19" wheels on the 2010 "facelift" version. I know this for a fact people. Trust me on this. If you really want them, then wait, otherwise buy a 370 now and fit some decent aftermarket wheels.

370er 06-01-2009 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by NissanZ46 (Post 82276)
Guys - same here, with 19" not being offered I'm not even considering the 370 any more.

"drives 2011 Z" ... LOL

Yes, Holden and Ford piss me off. I'd rather buy a quality car rather than something that everyone drives here. LCT/GST/Stamp duty... they triple tax us.

NissanZ46 - What other cars are you considering? Would you wait until 2010 knowing the Z will come with the 19s or buy something else now?

evse82 06-02-2009 12:12 AM

Well when you think about it, this car is dirt cheap in the states, yet they have 50 times the amount of locally made cars there. So why are we paying all these taxes etc. for Holden and Ford? personally I think the extra we pay is bs and these cars are probably not taxed as high as we think.....

NissanZ46 06-03-2009 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 370er (Post 82283)
"drives 2011 Z" ... LOL

Yes, Holden and Ford piss me off. I'd rather buy a quality car rather than something that everyone drives here. LCT/GST/Stamp duty... they triple tax us.

NissanZ46 - What other cars are you considering? Would you wait until 2010 knowing the Z will come with the 19s or buy something else now?

If Nissan Aust offer the 19" as an option(but not a ripoff option) or standard fit then I will wait till 2010 model to get it.
I've been looking at R34 GT-R in the meantime, but I really reckon that 370Z is the bang for buck right now.

PS: they better keep the titanium colour for 2010 - IMHO, best colour available.

NissanZ46 06-03-2009 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by evse82 (Post 82900)
Well when you think about it, this car is dirt cheap in the states, yet they have 50 times the amount of locally made cars there. So why are we paying all these taxes etc. for Holden and Ford? personally I think the extra we pay is bs and these cars are probably not taxed as high as we think.....

Mate, tax and the amount of tax we pay on the car is a well known fact, well, maybe not be me but I'll have a go - it is not a secret that LCT of 33% above 57K is applicable, so is the stamp duty, and then on top of that I think GST is calculated, or GST before LCT, not quite sure.

evse82 06-03-2009 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NissanZ46 (Post 83686)
Mate, tax and the amount of tax we pay on the car is a well known fact, well, maybe not be me but I'll have a go - it is not a secret that LCT of 33% above 57K is applicable, so is the stamp duty, and then on top of that I think GST is calculated, or GST before LCT, not quite sure.

Yeah fair enough, but when you think back, the 2003 350z Track was similarly priced about the same here even before the LCT went up.

Even with all the taxes we pay for cars, does this justify a $20K AUD increase on the price of this car in relation to the price in the States (including all their taxes)? It's a little hard to imagine that we are paying well over 20K in taxes on a $67,990 car (again this figure is based on the US price including their taxes)

POTM 06-07-2009 08:11 AM

Hi guys...I new here and thinking to buy a 370 too...nearly brought one the other day but thought those rims are little small and the tyres are not wide enough....Nissan should really made the 19s as an option...what a mistake...I've been notified by a few dealers and they strongly promised that Australia is not going to get the 19s...I think it's BS

370er 06-07-2009 09:04 AM

Yep, really crap I know. I wish the 18s didn't fit over the premium brakes (they only just fit), then they would have had to package it with the 19s!

I think the dealers have been told not to order the 19s in from overseas... because a lot of people would have asked about them. I am trying to see if I can order a set from the US, we'll see.

I just want chicane yellow with the 19-inch wheels.... lol, didn't think it would be that hard! The yellow is apparently only going to be available for the first model year *sigh* so they go and stick the 18s on it... doesn't do it justice, the car is too sexy for that.

I looked at the US Nissan site... went to the 'build your z' link and the options are perfect, everything I want.... 19s, hard drive, direct ipod connection. The only thing missing would be a camera for reversing, it would be handy considering the blind spots.

Maybe Nissan Australia will stack the 2010 model full of options. Wishful thinking? You'd think some of them would be reading these forums?

bluem5 06-08-2009 12:01 AM

370er would the 19 inch rims fit along nicely with the brakes and the calipers that we got standard?

Imagine you had the hassle of doing all that and spend more money to get those rims only to find out that the 19s dont fit with the brakes and that Nissan dealership doesnt approve of your mod and they void your warranty.:stirthepot:

Hehehehe wouldnt that be convenient. At this point we dont have any information and so we cannot even think about paying them money for this car until they get things sorted out.

Dont even get me started on the oil issue.

370er 06-08-2009 02:43 AM

The 18s fit the brakes so the 19s would too. I'm pretty sure we have the bigger brakes standard for Australia - something they did right. Not sure about Dubai.

I'm getting tired at shopping for a car :p Too many pros and cons for all.

Palms 06-08-2009 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 370er (Post 86818)
The 18s fit the brakes so the 19s would too. I'm pretty sure we have the bigger brakes standard for Australia - something they did right. Not sure about Dubai.

I'm getting tired at shopping for a car :p Too many pros and cons for all.

Yep, Aus gets pretty much everything as standard, except the rims :(.

Does anyone know by how much the smaller rims and narrower tires affects the performance of the car? If Nissan is claiming performance figures (0-100km/h times, etc) based off the 19" rims and wider tires, then that's a bit of false advertising then...

Palms

POTM 06-08-2009 07:42 PM

I am just wondering how many people in Aus are actually holding off to get the car based on the main discomforts raised in this forum. Nissan prolly dont realise dropping some of the options and excluding some crucial part is causing them the down in sales. Or maybe I am wrong. They did this on purpose. For what?

I Should've done some Marketing at uni...lol

bluem5 06-08-2009 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Palms (Post 87205)
Yep, Aus gets pretty much everything as standard, except the rims :(.

Does anyone know by how much the smaller rims and narrower tires affects the performance of the car? If Nissan is claiming performance figures (0-100km/h times, etc) based off the 19" rims and wider tires, then that's a bit of false advertising then...

Palms

Im sure it is false advertising. You are correct. WIth the numbers they posted they sure as heck wont be getting it from the heavier 18s but from the ultra light performance 19s. Also, the wider tires stick to corners more but I reckon it would also give you a great launch to post similiar numbers to Nissan's.

You should bring your point up at the dealership. I bet the sales team will look all confused and try to convince you to buy because numbers dont matter. WTF?:ughdance:

370er 06-09-2009 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POTM (Post 87245)
Nissan prolly dont realise dropping some of the options and excluding some crucial part is causing them the down in sales.

If they are any bit smart they would know there's a possibility some people will not want to buy this car with the 18s. Why on earth they couldn't have the 19s at an extra cost option I don't know? Guess they just want to give it a nice face lift for the 2010 year to keep sales steady into the second year. If I was working in their marketing department I would be reading these forums to see what potential buyers are looking for.

I contacted an ebay seller selling genuine Nissan parts in the US. He said he can get the 19 inch wheels for me, and probably others if interested. Do you know if the Bridgestone tires could be brought locally?

245/40WR19 (front) and 275/35WR19 (rear) Bridgestone Potenza.

The only reason I might do this instead of just waiting for the 2010 model is because I want the Chicane Yellow, which everyone is saying is available for the first model year only.

There is also the oil overheating issue which could be a problem in our hot summers. And the 2010 model could have a few added options too. Bit of a dilemma.

evse82 06-09-2009 05:00 AM

I don't think Nissan have posted any performance figures yet....... this is probably the reason. All thats been posted are journos tests, the latest wheels mag ran it and got 5.6 0-100 which is pretty **** considering the 350 did it in 5.7.... if i get it it'll feel exactly like my 350 then.......... Funny thing is they mentioned a few times that traction was a big issue. (this is the same issue I had with the 350 that used to annoy me - either rev high and spin the wheels or get hardcore axle tramp)

I reckon it is all due to the financial crisis, they have brought in as little options as possible to keep the amount of stock they need to a bare minimum. Thats why they don't have a touring and track anymore, or any different interior colours etc. Once they start selling more cars, then I'm sure the wheels and other options will be brought in.

The 19's will probably cost so much to buy though... it probably won't be worth getting them in. The tires shouldn't be a problem here either, there are plenty of other cars on sale in aus with 19" - 245, 275's on them.

NissanZ46 06-09-2009 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POTM (Post 87245)
I am just wondering how many people in Aus are actually holding off to get the car based on the main discomforts raised in this forum. Nissan prolly dont realise dropping some of the options and excluding some crucial part is causing them the down in sales. Or maybe I am wrong. They did this on purpose. For what?

I Should've done some Marketing at uni...lol

My mate and I are both holding of our purchase, and this is based solely on the lack of 19" - simple as that, so Nissan can keep advertising their 50+ unsold 370's on the web, bunch of numbskulls.

GTRFAN 06-10-2009 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 370er (Post 87437)
Do you know if the Bridgestone tires could be brought locally? 245/40WR19 (front) and 275/35WR19 (rear) Bridgestone Potenza

Getting Bridgestones Potenza's in that size or any other size is not a problem at all. Keep in mind for legal reasons you must use Australian certified tyres in Australia. Fitting US ones would be the quickest way to make your car unroadworthy.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Palms (Post 87205)
Does anyone know by how much the smaller rims and narrower tires affects the performance of the car? If Nissan is claiming performance figures (0-100km/h times, etc) based off the 19" rims and wider tires, then that's a bit of false advertising then...Palms

Good point...The 370Z will be tested on TopGear Oz this coming Monday 15/06, so we'll see what times they get. I hope they launch it properly and not just roll it off the line.

370er 06-10-2009 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTRFAN (Post 88167)
The 370Z will be tested on TopGear Oz this coming Monday 15/06

Thanks, I didn't know that. I'll definitely be watching then.

POTM 06-10-2009 06:02 AM

I think they will give the car a great review. Just wanted to see how much worse can it be against the R35 on the lap list. I hope it at least beat the jaguar SV8 on the list....maybe I will be disappointed....we'll see...

NissanZ46 06-12-2009 02:28 AM

With Nissan coming 3rd LAST on the customer survey here in Oz, last being GM-Holden and 2nd last Ford, then I'm not surprised we all on this forum have a very similar opinion when it comes to Nissan's customer approach and what options we get/don't get.

I wonder how Mazda can do such a great job - they won the customer survey, shame the RX-8GT is such a slow car though.

370er 06-15-2009 05:51 AM

Did Top Gear Australia give the 370Z a good review? I missed the first half of the show :shakes head:

Palms 06-15-2009 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 370er (Post 91302)
Did Top Gear Australia give the 370Z a good review? I missed the first half of the show :shakes head:

Yeah they did - they liked everything about it except for the sound, and the rear vision. They didn't mention anything about the smaller wheels.

Palms

370er 06-16-2009 03:38 AM

I just watched it. Pretty good review. The rear vision is definitely an issue but an aftermarket camera could probably be added. And rear sensors are on the accessory list. I didn't think they would mention the wheels.

evse82 06-16-2009 07:53 AM

Yeah rear sensors are a must... In think in motor mag (or caradvice.com.au) they did mention the lack of options as being a negative for the car.... and also the engine sound... but we get ours quieter here than in the states I believe... thats what an aftermarket exhaust is for :p

It's been getting pretty poor 0-100 times though :(

POTM 06-16-2009 08:20 PM

I think the rear sensors should be enough coz I know it is not easy to see clearly with the rear camera anyway. Sometimes you mite hit the car with the help of the camera.

I was impressed with the 370z's time around the GTA track. I thought it was going slower than the EVO X. I think the time could even be better if it wasn't windy that day they did the test.


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