The asian car war doesn't include america. AS MUCH AS YOU want it too it doesn't... if it did??? They would be building V8 muscle. The extent of the competition between america and japan is this... we can build a better quality car, a better handling car and a car that can rival your v8's in the quarter mile with less displacement and a smaller engine.

The asians see our mentality towards motorsports as simplistic. In 1969 the Z was designed to copy 1961 ferrari performance on a budget. The american mentality was how can we make a car bigger. Where they glorify complex roadcourse in car engineering. We drag race and go around in circles in stock cars. Its a different philosophy dude.

The only people that see competition is americans at japan. Not the other way around. Asia to Asia is another story. America sometimes puts themselves in the middle of arguments or competitions where the other party doesn't care. If you want a mustang competitor? Buy a camaro.

The Z has to step up on hyundai. Besides. KEY POINT the Z is a V6. When the mustang V6 can outdo a Z. I will get back at you on your statement.

Don't delude YOURSELF.

The United States is currently the largest car market in the world. It is a prime competition area for all of the world's major car manufacturers. Nissan probably makes more money off of cars sold in the US than it does in Japan.

The Japanese makes see American makes as competition. So do the Europeans.

I'm not talking about the complete car market. I'm talking about a Z vs a mustang. You are going all around the board on a specific point.

Does the altima compete with malibu and chrysler 200??? OF COURSE.

Does the mustang compete with the Z???? HELL NO! Neither does the gencoupe to a certain degree, but hyundai has Nissan's name all up in da mouf... feel me? So nissan needs to give hyundai some ack-right. That is the simplest way I can put it. If you still don't get me I don't know how to make it simpler.

Well, speaking English would be a start.

But I understand your point. I simply strongly disagree with it. I don't see Hyundai's GenCoupe improvements driving great change in the 2013 Z, considering that Nissan made no improvements to compete with the Mustang and Camaro, which are its competition. That was my only point. Disagree if you like, but that's it.

My explanation is simpler and involves considerably less jingoism.

It seems ebonics worked better cuz now you understand where I coming from. Lol. . Thanks. The camaro and stang only make financial comp. Not performance. Different philosphies drive the reason for R&D.

But if you want to believe that nissan is on the drawing board trying to win a design that will attract muscle car owners then go right ahead. If that what makes you sleepbetter at night? But last I heard the cayman comp is everything to nissan???? What do I know? Its been real shado... you the man, osalamakom... . :roflpuke2:.

Actually, the best rates are available on shorter loans. Longterm loans are riskier in the banks point of view. 3-5 years would get you a better rate.
4 years in car sales has taught me that, and so has having a finance director for a father lol

Porsche Cayman... also not Asian :roflpuke2:

When I say they are competition, what I mean is this: You have forty grand in your pocket and can buy a sporty car. It has to be rear-wheel drive, get to a quarter mile in less than 14 seconds, possibly have a manual transmission, handle very well in corners, and look pretty for the ladies.

Muscle Cars and Sports Cars are on that list. If you think people are not cross-shopping sports cars with muscle cars... Then you've got problems we don't have time to deal with here. :roflpuke2:

THAT'S CALLED FINANCIAL COMP. Do you read... you are beginning to frustrate me. Yeah I know the cayman isn't asian but the Z WAS BUILT AROUND the cayman performance... NOT MUSTANG. The. Z has no real competitor... the porsche is still out of its league and american cars don't compare... Wow. I'm done

Trading (or selling) a '11 for a '13 is just financially irresponsible on so many levels I cannot begin to describe. It sounds like you are the type of guy who needs the latest and greatest shiny new toy that comes around. Of course the sales guy can get your monthly payments down... he will get you into a brand new 6 (or 7) year loan on the same car you have been driving.. but this time the car will have daytime running lights and ugly wheels.

Take this advice... please. Pay off the car. Start saving up for either the 400z or whatever the hell they are going to call it and when that comes out, pay for it in cash.

That was not just financial.

Drivetrain... RWD
Curb Weight... similar (3300-3800)
0-60... under 5 seconds
1/4 mile... under 14 seconds
grip/road holding... over .9 G on skidpad


Those are performance metrics. The cars compete. That they are in the same price point makes it even more strongly linked. I don't know why, in your mind, the cars can't compete. You can even add Subaru's WRX in the same class. People shopping performance cars cross shop these vehicles.

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Al you are too intelligent to involve yourself in this nonsense. I've done it before... :icon14:

Its time for you know wat. :yum:

You will get terrible value for money by exchanging for a new model year, no doubt about it. Incremental improvement at best, start over with massive new car depreciation all over again. It's fine to buy new once in a while if you keep the car for 5 years minimum, preferably 7, when there's good new car incentives and really cheap financing. If you want to trade cars every few years, buy used, no doubt it that's the way to go.

Dang.... A 6 year note for a car loan? In our house for a new car 48 months max but 36 months on a loan is dead on. Anything over what I mentioned is either buying before your ready or not having enough on trade or down payment to buy the car that day. JMHO :tup:

LOL.... Z06? come at me man.. :tiphat: