Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1550462)

Yeah... but the next Z is supposedly going to have a tranny cooler on the auto, oil cooler, more efficient intakes and have a lot of prep that will cost me the difference anyway. It comes out your azz one way or another. And honestly I rather have my coolers covered than me install one and get voided if something goes wrong. That leavess me a couple extra grand toward my turbo. I have a feeling we don't know everything. And this new Z will just be a better tuner car than ours right now. I'm really praying for better brake cooling.

I know I'm going off prediction? But I haven't been wrong with anything nissan has done in the past. I predicted the 12 cooler and mild enhancements. But went against my own judgement and bought the 11. My prediction is the next Z will be worth the investment. I bet the exhaust note will even probably get better. Lol

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1550462)

Yeah... but the next Z is supposedly going to have a tranny cooler on the auto, oil cooler, more efficient intakes and have a lot of prep that will cost me the difference anyway. It comes out your azz one way or another. And honestly I rather have my coolers covered than me install one and get voided if something goes wrong. That leavess me a couple extra grand toward my turbo. I have a feeling we don't know everything. And this new Z will just be a better tuner car than ours right now. I'm really praying for better brake cooling.

I know I'm going off prediction? But I haven't been wrong with anything nissan has done in the past. I predicted the 12 cooler and mild enhancements. But went against my own judgement and bought the 11. My prediction is the next Z will be worth the investment. I bet the exhaust note will even probably get better. Lol

Originally Posted by Zeek (Post 1550392)

Bad idea in my opinion. Salesmen love people who are only interested in a monthly payment and not the overall cost of what they want to do. You'll find yourself in a situation where you owe a lot more than the new car will ever be worth. When that next new, hot car comes out that you lust over you'll find the only way you can get it is to have the dealer pay your loan, deduct what the car is worth and add the remainder into a new loan and you'll sink further into debt and pay several thousand dollars more than the car is worth. If the car is ever repossessed for some reason they will sell it cheap and you'll wind up paying the remainder. Double up on your car payments if you can and pay it off to save a few bucks on interest.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1550330)

Don't you just end up spending more money by jumping to a newer MY even though you are "lowering" your payment. Bad way to think about it, IMO. Total cost is important, not monthly payment.

Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1550342)

Plus term of the loan is important. If you go from paying 300 bucks a month (made up figure) for 2.5 years, then owning it outright, it's a better situation than paying 275 a month for the next 6 years for roughly the same car. I'm betting the added cost will be more expensive than aftermarket parts to perform the same power bump.

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1550414)

:iagree: unless you REALLY want the 2013's new facia, wheels, suspension, etc it would be smarter to keep your current one. you'll end up paying a lot.

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1550471)

are you currently having issues with your tranny overheating or engine? :confused: ive not had engine oil temp issues on my 2009 without cooler...so i dont plan on having one come out my anus.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1550505)

Guys do we really have DISSECT the logic of the sale. My payments are structured in 6 years for the lower rates and then I pay down to 3. Its the smartest wat to go. They tell you you pay more but get a better rate when you do short. But if you do the math. The 6 yr is best. Then make double payments. 2.5 is an approx. The second payment is purely to the principle so I'm sure it will pay down in less.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1550482)

I'm going FI and I have an auto. If you have a manual? :confused:There is no tranny cooler needed....

Originally Posted by 007MI6 (Post 1550478)

:werd:

Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1550470)

Then you might as well wait for the 2013 to hit stores before you move on it, or at least wait for official details.

I doubt it will be worth the investment over your 2011 by the thousands extra it will cost you, but it's your money, do with it what you will. I wouldn't do it unless there was a substantial performance bump, and I don't see that coming. And I really, sincerely doubt they'll do anything about brake cooling.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1550538)

I don't know bruh... like I said, let's see what happens. My get says yeah. Your gut says no. I just know I been like the great carnac for the Z and gencoupe. Everything that's happening with the gen I said would happen. People said hyundai will need 10 years to be where they are now. They did it in 2. My prediction is Japan is TOO proud to let some Koreans show them up. If you know anything about the japanese? They consider themselves more intelligent and civilized han any other asians. They don't like koreans and they don't respect the gencoupe. Lol.

Nissan won't let it happen.

Racism and elitism will make the Z a better car in june.

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1550542)

wooah now... lol! :rofl2:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1550477)

I start on price and work down to payment. I have patience. I will sit there 8 hours to get the right payment. Then I pay down and cut my interest in half... Its hard to hustle a hustler. I walk away from anything that won't benefit me. There's a loss in everything we do. The art is keeping thatt loss minimal.

I know the monthly payment isn't the only thing to look at. Finance charge structure is where they eat you. That's the first thing I tackle.