corner with full acceleration
 

[closed road situation]

If you make a right turn with VDC off and full throttle, does your car spin out? (unless I counter my steering wheel)
I don't think it did when my car was a complete stock. But after changing rims and tires, the car feels really unstable.

I've got even sticky tires than stock (Re-11 265/305) and ran a couple of test when it was 80F outside.

Is it time to get LSD? lol.

"If you make a right turn with VDC off and full throttle, does your car spin out?"

Absolutely, you're gone!

If you can't handle a situation like that you shouldn't be doing it.

Any time you over power the rear tires while cornering the back end is going to slide. It's simple physics...

Oh.. good to know it was normal.. lol

No kidding. Of course it will. Smooth application of power for fast a controlled exit.

remember, it is Rear wheel drive...

A lot of people don't understand what that means for handling dynamics, though.

/thread

Z is my first big power RWD and still learning.
Thanks!

Please be careful.

Isn't that called "drifting"?

Troo

Just remember, the stickiest tires, an LSD and best coilovers the world can't compensate for the squishy bag of flesh between the steering wheel and driver seat. Driving technique > any mod you can bolt on to a car.

Drifting is an art. Full throttle mid way through turn is different. :icon17:

FYI: Drifting DOES NOT EQUAL TO Spin-Out

:tup:

:iagree:

Yes, that's why I am practicing at a closed road.
Thanks

It really feels like I am drifting since I have to hold my steering wheel to the opposite direction of the car moving.

Wait, have I just learned drifting without knowing? lol.

Need practice and practice.

You can't learn to drive from a book...but...pick up Secrets of Solo Racing by Henry Watts. The book covers everything from “What is an apex?” to proper lines through various types of corners and the physics behind it all.

It's simple

VDC on.....

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Driver misakenly turns VDC off....

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This just sounds bad

Even worse if it was front wheel drive. Uncontrollable torque steer would occur and most likely you'll end up in a wreck. Lol

At least he'd be able to see where he was going. It's much easier for a newb to get himself killed in a RWD car in a situation like this. Lots of people don't understand the dynamic when you put together RWD, a loss of drive wheel traction, and a corner.

yea, I was informed to practice at an open space with no other cars, people, or obstacles, and I pulled a couple of runs.
It was worth a try and loved the feeling.
I will never attempt a try at a public road even if I become natural doing it.

Get a rwd beater, find an icy parking lot, and let the games begin. You can now power slide at low speeds. Problem solved.

You might have one more step. Go way up north.

Then you're too hot into the corner. It's not your acceleration causing it, it's your entry speed and most likely you're on the brakes with the wheel turned. In too hot>panic>brake while turning>unbalanced car>oversteer.

:icon18:

Yup, I was going into corners too fast, didn't get enough straight line brake in and lost it while braking/turning a few times. Slow in, fats out, and do your braking straight are good pieces of advice I will remember next track day.

Then again, a lot of people don't even know whether their car is front or rear wheel drive to begin with. Like when I saw a guy putting snow chains on the rear wheels of his Corolla...

off topic question here

Those guys with 638 HP ZR1s and 600 HP RWD Porsches etc. Don't they ever get worried that they'll lose control and crash when basically going from 0 - 100 or whatever?

You see it in street races all the time with xxx hp supras, vettes etc. racing, is it common to lose control going full throttle in a straight line? Does it matter more about what kind of tires, lsd etc.? ty

But it certainly can lead to it :bowrofl:

There's a bunch of different factors that can cause a car to lose control in a straight line. Ultimately it comes down to the driver to keep the car going in its intended path, but yes, any RWD car capable of losing drive wheel traction can wreck in a straight line. If you encounter some road irregularity that upsets the car or simply fall behind in your steering you can crash regardless of whether you're headed straight, turning, etc.

It's not just the super high power cars either... the 370Z has enough power to lose control in a straight line if the driver doesn't know what he's doing.

That scares the **** out of me. I always for some reason see videos of Carrera GTs getting sideways real easily because of all that power.

I run with VDC and ABS off 100% of the time. I have OS Giken LSD, 285 rears and 275 fronts and if I punch it out of a slow turn the car hops out but its completely controlable. Very much a drift car. We had a Porsche club event and I was hanging rear out 50 years at a time. 370Z is one of my favorite drift cars. Its so easy to drift a monkey could drift it.

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There! solved! /thread

You know how it is with most drivers, though. Don't say stuff like that... you'll encourage someone to go out and kill themselves! :icon17:

New post coming tomorrow with a post count of 1: "So i drefted my ZZZ becauz it's suposed to be ez, and it like spun round n hit another car. WTF?"

See what you've done, Shamu? :bowrofl: