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Red__Zed 11-20-2011 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1416280)
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So which Evo is the heaviest?

i think now it is the MR touring. It's also like 40 grand:icon14:

Red__Zed 11-20-2011 04:46 PM

In response to the OP, the Z weighs what it weighs because of:
size
quality materials
cool electronic gadgetry
safety equipment

The real answer, though, is: don't worry about it.

The z is pretty freaking light for what it is, 33xx well equipped is nothing to complain about, and the car drives a lot lighter than it is due to well-engineered vehicle dynamics. The Z feels razor sharp on almost any road, and I never really found myself wishing the car was lighter.

You lose more weight and your start losing the high speed stability the Z has (unless you add downforce), and since the car is not exactly hurting for torque, I see no reason to fret about the weight. Sure, it would be slightly faster around a track with a couple hundred less pounds, tenths of a second around a track don't mean much for the way most of us drive...

I think most of the guys that complain about the Z's weight need to spend more time driving and less time playing Forza. The Z's dynamic is sick, about as good of an experience as you can ask for...and isn't that why we love our cars?

Trips 11-20-2011 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1416291)
In response to the OP, the Z weighs what it weighs because of:
size
quality materials
cool electronic gadgetry
safety equipment

The real answer, though, is: don't worry about it.

The z is pretty freaking light for what it is, 33xx well equipped is nothing to complain about, and the car drives a lot lighter than it is due to well-engineered vehicle dynamics. The Z feels razor sharp on almost any road, and I never really found myself wishing the car was lighter.

You lose more weight and your start losing the high speed stability the Z has (unless you add downforce), and since the car is not exactly hurting for torque, I see no reason to fret about the weight. Sure, it would be slightly faster around a track with a couple hundred less pounds, tenths of a second around a track don't mean much for the way most of us drive...

I think most of the guys that complain about the Z's weight need to spend more time driving and less time playing Forza. The Z's dynamic is sick, about as good of an experience as you can ask for...and isn't that why we love our cars?

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daleks 11-20-2011 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1416283)
i think now it is the MR touring. It's also like 40 grand:icon14:

The MR Touring ditches the aluminum roof and puts back on a steel one with a glass sunroof. A GSR compared to a standard MR just has different wheel well liners.

DarkZide 11-20-2011 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1416268)
Sounds like you aren't very familiar with the EVO trim levels. The GSR weighs a lot less than that 3500lb figure you keep tossing out...
Evo X curb weight: 1,420–1,600 kg (3,131–3,527 lb)
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Not sure what you mean by there is nothing to substantiate that...those are independently posted weights on cars....


Sounds like you are full of crap. Thats weight from all countries. The american GSR is 3517 and the MR is 3572. You are wrong and making stuff up, as usual.

Red__Zed 11-20-2011 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkZide (Post 1416361)
Sounds like you are full of crap. Thats weight from all countries. The american GSR is 3517 and the MR is 3572. You are wrong and making stuff up, as usual.

I don't buy manufacturer numbers, and true stock numbers are useless:tup:


Mitsu's weights are based on a full tank, nissan's are not. The Z probably has about 120lbs under an equivalently equipped GSR, and 200 under a loaded MR.

In track form (trunk cleared, no rear seats, etc,) the Mitsu is comparable, but the weight distribution is pretty eh.

DarkZide 11-20-2011 06:08 PM

and how do you know that? curb weight is defined as all fluids at their normal levels and a full tank of gas.

And no MFR in their right mind would list their car 300 lbs heavier than it is.

If you really think an Evo X weighs the same as a 370z you have lost your mind.

m4a1mustang 11-20-2011 06:13 PM

I did some research and I am comfortable saying the (US Spec) Evos are all 3500+. At least the current generations.

The weight sheet Red posted must have involved some weight reduction.

Red__Zed 11-20-2011 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1416378)
I don't buy manufacturer numbers, and true stock numbers are useless:tup:


Mitsu's weights are based on a full tank, nissan's are not. The Z probably has about 120lbs under an equivalently equipped GSR, and 200 under a loaded MR.

In track form (trunk cleared, no rear seats, etc,) the Mitsu is comparable, but the weight distribution is pretty eh.

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Originally Posted by DarkZide (Post 1416384)
and how do you know that? curb weight is defined as all fluids at their normal levels and a full tank of gas.

And no MFR in their right mind would list their car 300 lbs heavier than it is.

If you really think an Evo X weighs the same as a 370z you have lost your mind.


I'm talking cleared trunk/seats, etc, and I'm really only concerned with independent weightings. I've seen the Z tested as high as 3425, and I know it doesn't weigh that much....

Red__Zed 11-20-2011 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1416389)
I did some research and I am comfortable saying the (US Spec) Evos are all 3500+. At least the current generations.

The weight sheet Red posted must have involved some weight reduction.

It did. Cleared trunk, no rear, etc, like I said in the post.

m4a1mustang 11-20-2011 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1416397)
It did. Cleared trunk, no rear, etc, like I said in the post.

This is what happens when I don't read anything. :roflpuke2:

I missed that.

Jordo! 11-20-2011 07:26 PM

The Z could easily be at least 200 lbs lighter... but getting there would have probably added a few grand to the cost.

3200-3300 is adequate given its power and torque, and not wildly far off the weight of similar but pricier cars (e.g., various Porsches)

If there was a way to get the Z down to < 3K lbs (without a hack saw) this car would be perfect!

Maybe there'll be some good power upgrades for the < 2700 lb FR-S that will be coming out soon...

cossie1600 11-20-2011 08:24 PM

My C6 Corvette stock with everything was 3300lbs on full tank. My 370z base+sport was 3350 with full tank. My 06 RX-8 was 3000lbs on full tank. My 04 350 enth. was 3320lbs.

All stock with full tank, no driver or luggage.

Red__Zed 11-20-2011 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkZide (Post 1416384)
and how do you know that? curb weight is defined as all fluids at their normal levels and a full tank of gas.

because of the difference in claimed weight vs actual measured weight


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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1416546)
My C6 Corvette stock with everything was 3300lbs on full tank. My 370z base+sport was 3350 with full tank. My 06 RX-8 was 3000lbs on full tank. My 04 350 enth. was 3320lbs.

All stock with full tank, no driver or luggage.


nogoodname 11-20-2011 09:01 PM

It's heavy because of all the swag in it.


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