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FlashBazbo 05-10-2009 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRich (Post 70845)
You do understand that a 6 cyl Camaro that "has 300 horsepower . . . and costs several thousand less" is also 1.4 seconds slower to 60 and doesn't handle nearly as well, right? The SS is the closer competitor and costs about the same.

For handling, the 6 cyl Camaro is the closer competitor. It's a better handler than the V8 because the engine is lighter and the chassis is better balanced as a result. On a tight road course or autocross course, the LT Camaro is the better way to go. Of course, as I said, neither is a statistical overall performance match for the Z (although I haven't seen or heard of anyone driving a 6 cyl Camaro as slowly as you claim). But from a practical standpoint? . . . Nobody is using the maximum potential of any of these cars on the street. That's why cars like the GTI and the MINI have a fighting chance in this market. It is always more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slowly.

The only reason I'm even considering a Camaro are the visibility issues of the Z, the lack of luggage space for the Z, and the poor customer service history of Nissan. If the Z were to be my only car? It couldn't happen.

But since my wife drives a fogey-mobile . . .

CBRich 05-11-2009 09:52 AM

Well, if you feel that 10/10th performance isn't the most important thing to you I'm sure the V6 Camaro would suit you fine. That is if you are placing more emphasis toward visibility and luggage space than absolute performance. And that is totally understandable if it's not a weekend warrior.

Izzoh 05-11-2009 02:40 PM

I'm currently crossing the Z with the Camaro SS. Orignally I had it up aganist:

Camaro SS
2010 Mustang GT
Genesis Coupe ( both versions )
Challenger RT
Evo X
G8 GT

sensi09 05-11-2009 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FlashBazbo (Post 70855)
For handling, the 6 cyl Camaro is the closer competitor. It's a better handler than the V8 because the engine is lighter and the chassis is better balanced as a result. On a tight road course or autocross course, the LT Camaro is the better way to go. Of course, as I said, neither is a statistical overall performance match for the Z (although I haven't seen or heard of anyone driving a 6 cyl Camaro as slowly as you claim). But from a practical standpoint? . . . Nobody is using the maximum potential of any of these cars on the street. That's why cars like the GTI and the MINI have a fighting chance in this market. It is always more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slowly.

The only reason I'm even considering a Camaro are the visibility issues of the Z, the lack of luggage space for the Z, and the poor customer service history of Nissan. If the Z were to be my only car? It couldn't happen.

But since my wife drives a fogey-mobile . . .

I agree that a slower car is more fun to drive fast than it is the other way around, but then again, 426HP will be a lot more fun than 304HP. Straight-line acceleration does get boring, but it's hard to pass up the extra power.

Unless someone is buying a base V6 with little to no options, it doesn't make sense, at least to me to spend a tad bit more for the bigger engine.

FlashBazbo 05-11-2009 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sensi09 (Post 71362)
I agree that a slower car is more fun to drive fast than it is the other way around, but then again, 426HP will be a lot more fun than 304HP. Straight-line acceleration does get boring, but it's hard to pass up the extra power.

Unless someone is buying a base V6 with little to no options, it doesn't make sense, at least to me to spend a tad bit more for the bigger engine.

That's why they make more than one kind.

Back in the day, there were just about always two sizes of "hot" cars in every lineup. The 289 Cobra was the handling/road racing machine but the 427 Cobra was a straight-line monster (Le Mans with its then 4-mile Mulsanne straight was the exception among road courses). The big engine made the car too nose-heavy. On most road courses, the 289 would beat a 427. On most drag strips, the 427 would win. It was the same with Mustang (351/429), Camaro, Trans Am, Barracuda, even Jaguar's XKE had the six cylinder for handling or the V12 for straight line power.

A Camaro LT with upgraded brakes might be the perfect mountain road weapon (among new Camaros). The bigger engine would be a detriment in that application. It's all a balance of weight/handling vs. power.

370z4Steve 05-11-2009 06:36 PM

370z with bugatti veyron of course :)

shabarivas 05-11-2009 06:46 PM

haha where is the evo X in that list :p?

Pushing_Tin 05-11-2009 11:29 PM

2010 Mustang GT
Challenger SRT8 and R/T
Camaro SS
Hyundai Genesis
New 2008 Z51 C6
135

AK370Z 05-11-2009 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pushing_Tin (Post 71671)
New 2008 Z51 C6

Leftover 08 Z51 C6 = :drool: very reasonably priced right now. I would drive it!:driving:

Even 09s are going for cheap http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-d...chevrolet.html

Pushing_Tin 05-12-2009 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AK370Z (Post 71681)
Leftover 08 Z51 C6 = :drool: very reasonably priced right now. I would drive it!:driving:

Even 09s are going for cheap 2009 1LT Coupe With Z51 Dual Mode Comp Gray Only $41,499 At Boardwalk Chevrolet! - Corvette Forum

I came very close to buying that 08 model. It was jet stream blue, but in the end we were still about $4k apart in price and I know how fast they depreciate so I walked.

xRUSTYx 05-12-2009 12:46 AM

M3 ...
335i ...
G37 ...

Forrest 05-12-2009 12:46 AM

My requirements. Daily Driver with "decent" mpg for a beast of a car.

EvoX Or ralliart. 370z. Corvette 2005+.

EvoX looks great, handles great. Price expensive
Ralli art, same as above, price really good. But they both have crap MPG.

Corvette finding a used one with 1 owner is hard and i was getting real skeptical of buying used sports car.
Corvette new, still in my price range but i was not looking to break the bank.

So it came down to Corvette and 370z. I already owned a 05 z and i loved it. I figured i dont need the extra power, i wanted it but i dont think i needed it.

So a new z, kind of better gas milage, decent power i must say. Its the brand i like it seems.

Maybe one day later, i can get a ralliart and a corvette.

shabarivas 05-12-2009 01:28 AM

Ha ha you are dreaming if you think the evo X will give you good mileage... I used to have one.. gave me about 12 mpg when I drove it like it wanted to be driven...

Forrest 05-12-2009 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Forrest (Post 71701)
But they both have crap MPG.

my requirements verses what i stated as why i ruled both out.

AK370Z 05-12-2009 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Educ8r (Post 70810)
I purchased a 350 in 2006 and I knew that I would upgrade to the next model. I am slightly intrigued with this
http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/s...com/rims-1.png
but my next auto will probably be a 5 series BMW.

Rims kinda looks like sport package 19" rays


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